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Madam Speaker to Turtle: "Do you just want to abolish Congress or maybe just the US Senate?" (Original Post) kpete Jan 2019 OP
McConnell is a full-fledged accomplice to Trump dalton99a Jan 2019 #1
What people forget..... getagrip_already Jan 2019 #14
I had forgotten about that. kag Jan 2019 #15
Could you please link that? ancianita Jan 2019 #20
Here's one of them. kag Jan 2019 #24
Thanks! I'm going to spread this around more. It's not been foregrounded enough in media. ancianita Jan 2019 #26
Every voter in Kentucky needs to know Butterflylady Jan 2019 #37
The whole country needs to know that Kasich and other presidential hopefuls did, too! ancianita Jan 2019 #40
I'd love to see Kasich busted out!! NEOBuckeye Jan 2019 #63
Totally. ancianita Jan 2019 #64
PLEASE spread it around! kag Jan 2019 #42
Did you see this below from lindysalsagal? ancianita Jan 2019 #43
I didn't see this, but I'm pretty sure the money they took was "legal". kag Jan 2019 #45
Citizens United ....it's legal. Amaryllis Jan 2019 #47
Not all that's legal is lawful. RBG proved that by ending 178 "legal" laws against half the ancianita Jan 2019 #58
McConnell and Graham got Russian dark money in 2016 FakeNoose Jan 2019 #35
there are more bdamomma Jan 2019 #51
Here it is: Dallas paper: russians bought the gop: lindysalsagal Jan 2019 #32
I'm puzzeled as to whether foreign contributions are legal or not. Danascot Jan 2019 #65
Pelosi nails it down pat!! Good point made to Mitch, why not just abolish Congress if you ... SWBTATTReg Jan 2019 #2
there are bdamomma Jan 2019 #55
He is not forgetting it he is choosing to not do it because for now he has largely been getting cstanleytech Jan 2019 #60
Thanks for bringing up the veto override. LiberalBrooke Jan 2019 #62
What does McConnell ever say? Nothing gratuitous Jan 2019 #3
can't hold him accountable for what he doesn't say Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #34
The Daily Beast should have asked the aide - Does avebury Jan 2019 #4
McConnell's aide never heard of a veto proof majority. Mc Mike Jan 2019 #5
He knows about veto overrides. He's just being intentionally misleading. SunSeeker Jan 2019 #33
It's their raison d'etre. nt Mc Mike Jan 2019 #67
No, TURTLE, the Executive's signature is not what matters most. UTUSN Jan 2019 #6
+1 n/t orleans Jan 2019 #13
McConnell is essentially exercising veto power himself. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #38
or he is very bdamomma Jan 2019 #57
The best response to the turtle and all he's done Brawndo Jan 2019 #7
I think the next new member should be kag Jan 2019 #16
Disagree-- Justice Obama is who we really need RainCaster Jan 2019 #17
Good point. kag Jan 2019 #23
While she'd be great Bob Loblaw Jan 2019 #21
Chelsea will be busy with a new baby. OMGWTF Jan 2019 #25
He's already abolished the US Senate. He has shown how every Senator there is not Autumn Jan 2019 #8
Not true. Lucinda Jan 2019 #11
Okay. Every Senator there with the exception of the Dems who have no power unless Mitch says so. Autumn Jan 2019 #12
I was at a Senator Wyden town hall a week ago and he said they are constantly looking Amaryllis Jan 2019 #48
Thank you for that, Amaryllis! Cha Jan 2019 #52
CHeck out this post i just did - more on what he said and an important takeaway i had Amaryllis Jan 2019 #54
Yes, they are.. Thank You, Lucinda! Cha Jan 2019 #53
The Turtle knows his balls are in her hands as well. ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2019 #9
SO many good things here: MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #10
Yes to all of this MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #28
When will the media start questioning the motives of the GOP Congress? Mr. Ected Jan 2019 #18
Hoping this win by Pelosi causes media to hear her MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #29
Not until.... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #41
The first amendment - another casualty of capitalism Mr. Ected Jan 2019 #44
K&R for major truth! KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #46
It's past time to dole out Senate seats based on population superpatriotman Jan 2019 #19
"One of those components is a presidential signature" Major Nikon Jan 2019 #22
Yeah it's too bad the Constitution didn't provide for override of veto MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #30
Pelosi stood up for the Constitution's separation of powers MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #27
Senator McConnell...The President Cannot Sign A Bill That Hasn't Been Voted On Or Sent To Him Me. Jan 2019 #31
The Pres can't veto it either Retrograde Jan 2019 #36
So too is overriding a veto through 2/3rd vote of both houses tymorial Jan 2019 #39
The Larger Public Should be Made Aware of this fascisthunter Jan 2019 #49
McConnell recognizes that for his base, the constitution begins and ends at the 2nd Amendment. tymorial Jan 2019 #66
McConnell???? bdamomma Jan 2019 #50
Or a Congressional override. Right? Ferrets are Cool Jan 2019 #56
What is NOT in the Constitution is that he Senate will not vote on any bill that is not approved of world wide wally Jan 2019 #59
"speeches on how a bill becomes the law" BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #61

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
14. What people forget.....
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 01:39 PM
Jan 2019

Is the Russians didnt just hack the dnc, they also hacked the rnc and probably a lot of individual email accounts of gop pols.

We don't hear about that because wikileaks didnt release them. But there were news reports of an rnc attack around the same time.

Those emails could be devastating to politicians on the right. Politicians often say things privately that would upset their base. These morans probably carried on affairs to boot. Remember, these are the guys that think Google makes iPhones.

They are all in the barrel, and everything in it is rotten to the core.

kag

(4,079 posts)
15. I had forgotten about that.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 01:47 PM
Jan 2019

You're right that they probably have kompromat on all of them. Also, there was a list published recently on how much money several repubs had received from the russians (filtered through a cousin, and PACs and such) and Moscow Mitch was at the top of the list with about $800,000. He's in to Putin deep, and Putin knows his deepest darkest secret.

ancianita

(36,090 posts)
40. The whole country needs to know that Kasich and other presidential hopefuls did, too!
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 03:18 PM
Jan 2019

I wonder if Bill Maher knew about Kasich's money 'problem' when he failed to ask him about it on Real time.

kag

(4,079 posts)
42. PLEASE spread it around!
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 03:32 PM
Jan 2019

I remember reading it several months ago, and wondering why it wasn't a bigger story. We should be screaming it from the rooftops. Kudos to the Dallas Morning News.

ancianita

(36,090 posts)
43. Did you see this below from lindysalsagal?
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 03:36 PM
Jan 2019
thanks to changes in campaign finance laws, the political contributions are legal. We have allowed our campaign finance laws to become a strategic threat to our country.


Did they really change finance laws AFTER they took the money? or BEFORE? I'm going to check it out.

kag

(4,079 posts)
45. I didn't see this, but I'm pretty sure the money they took was "legal".
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:02 PM
Jan 2019

It was russian money, but it was laundered though the business of the cousin of an oligarch (or something like that), and then deposited with turtle's PAC.

Legal, but sure as shit shouldn't be.

ancianita

(36,090 posts)
58. Not all that's legal is lawful. RBG proved that by ending 178 "legal" laws against half the
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 12:38 AM
Jan 2019

population in Moritz v IRS 64 years ago.

The very creation of legal dominance of standing in the courts by fictional personhoods can be proved, over time, to be an ongoing harm to the real We The People. The right case has yet to be argued.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
35. McConnell and Graham got Russian dark money in 2016
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:48 PM
Jan 2019

... and neither were running in 2016. It was just shut-up money.

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
51. there are more
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:28 PM
Jan 2019

repigs who are involved, I think between the money they got and their hacked e-mails they are very compromised. Could it also be threats to them and their families???

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
32. Here it is: Dallas paper: russians bought the gop:
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:34 PM
Jan 2019
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/05/08/putins-proxies-helped-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns

Editor's note May 8, 2018: This column originally published December 15, 2017. New allegations about $500k in payments from a Russian oligarch made to Trump attorney Michael Cohen have placed it back in the news.

As Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team probes deeper into potential collusion between Trump officials and representatives of the Russian government, investigators are taking a closer look at political contributions made by U.S. citizens with close ties to Russia.

Buried in the campaign finance reports available to the public are some troubling connections between a group of wealthy donors with ties to Russia and their political contributions to President Donald Trump and a number of top Republican leaders. And thanks to changes in campaign finance laws, the political contributions are legal. We have allowed our campaign finance laws to become a strategic threat to our country.

In 2015-16, everything changed. Blavatnik's political contributions soared and made a hard right turn as he pumped $6.35 million into GOP political action committees, with millions of dollars going to top Republican leaders including Sens. Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham.

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
65. I'm puzzeled as to whether foreign contributions are legal or not.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 01:05 PM
Jan 2019

The statement in the Dallas News seems pretty black & white but the following appears on the Federal Election Commission website. It's an important distinction and it would be good to have a definitive answer.

Foreign nationals

Campaigns may not solicit or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local. This prohibition includes contributions or donations made to political committees and building funds and to make electioneering communications. Furthermore, it is a violation of federal law to knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making, acceptance or receipt of contributions or donations in connection with federal and nonfederal elections to a political committee, or for the purchase or construction of an office building. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, acting as a conduit or intermediary for foreign national contributions and donations.


https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
2. Pelosi nails it down pat!! Good point made to Mitch, why not just abolish Congress if you ...
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 12:22 PM
Jan 2019

won't do your job? Traitor.

Besides signing bills, Mitch, Congress can also override presidential vetoes too.

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
55. there are
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:41 PM
Jan 2019

3 co-equal branches of Government, would you want to see Putin gloating even more.

For some reason McConnell is forgetting Congress can override, why is that????

cstanleytech

(26,294 posts)
60. He is not forgetting it he is choosing to not do it because for now he has largely been getting
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 02:39 AM
Jan 2019

what he wants with his stolen SCOTUS seats and federal judge seats not to mention his tax cuts for the ultra wealthy and corporations.

LiberalBrooke

(527 posts)
62. Thanks for bringing up the veto override.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:13 AM
Jan 2019

That is exactly what it is for. An override is there to enact a law that makes sense. It is there to overrule a president who is not looking out for the needs of the country. Use it.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. What does McConnell ever say? Nothing
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 12:25 PM
Jan 2019

And then an aide (not the Majority Leader himself, note) comes out to misstate the Constitution. Bills can become law without a presidential signature, dude. It's called a veto override, and is very embarrassing to the executive who doesn't know how to count votes.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
34. can't hold him accountable for what he doesn't say
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jan 2019

That's Moscow Mitch -- say as little as possible in public so he can't be pinned down. I dearly want him behind bars. Prison bars, that is.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
5. McConnell's aide never heard of a veto proof majority.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 12:28 PM
Jan 2019

His personnel are as competent and knowledgable as he is.

SunSeeker

(51,572 posts)
33. He knows about veto overrides. He's just being intentionally misleading.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jan 2019

Republicans lie. It's what they do.

UTUSN

(70,710 posts)
6. No, TURTLE, the Executive's signature is not what matters most.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 12:29 PM
Jan 2019

The Congress is supposed to be a co-equal branch, meaning having its own independent sphere. NOT bringing only the bills the executive approves of. If something gets vetoed, it can be overridden. TURTLE really is undermining the government and instituting dictatorship.




KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
38. McConnell is essentially exercising veto power himself.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 03:17 PM
Jan 2019

That certainly is not the intent of our Constitution as he is trying to claim. Checks and balances are a thing, Turtle.

Ditch Mitch......

Brawndo

(535 posts)
7. The best response to the turtle and all he's done
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 12:29 PM
Jan 2019

will be to pack the Supreme Court, with its first new member being Merrick Garland. Let's see him smirk at that.

RainCaster

(10,884 posts)
17. Disagree-- Justice Obama is who we really need
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:03 PM
Jan 2019

Remember his history as a constitutional law professor?
Not only is he tremendously qualified, but that would rub McTurtle's nose so bad...

Bob Loblaw

(1,900 posts)
21. While she'd be great
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:07 PM
Jan 2019

I'd prefer someone much younger for a longer tenure. As near as I can tell there is no minimum age requirement to be appointed to the Supreme Court. I'd nominate Emma Gonzalez or David Hogg. What's Chelsea up to these days?

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
8. He's already abolished the US Senate. He has shown how every Senator there is not
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 12:30 PM
Jan 2019

needed or willing to do their job.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
12. Okay. Every Senator there with the exception of the Dems who have no power unless Mitch says so.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 12:50 PM
Jan 2019

Better?

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
48. I was at a Senator Wyden town hall a week ago and he said they are constantly looking
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:41 PM
Jan 2019

ways around all the obstruction. They are working double time to keep up with the chaos and insanity.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
54. CHeck out this post i just did - more on what he said and an important takeaway i had
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:38 PM
Jan 2019

from the town hall:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211734791

I was inspired to write this after i made the comment on this post that you responded to.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
9. The Turtle knows his balls are in her hands as well.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 12:34 PM
Jan 2019

Speaker Nancy Pelosi has out witted two at the same time.

Being Alpha does come Natural to her. She knows the future of the country is at stake and she is acting on behalf of said country.

MyOwnPeace

(16,928 posts)
10. SO many good things here:
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 12:38 PM
Jan 2019

1. Speaker Pelosi shows that she's truly fighting for the Constitution and the desires of the majority of Americans.
2. Speaker Pelosi shows also that she's willing to point out ALL that are incompetent in the governing of our country.
3. Continued pointing to the workings of McTurtle, keeping his shell covered in continuing support of the illegitimate president and the theft of the Supreme Court and White House, which has been his #1 goal for years.

Go get 'em, Mueller, and GOTV, Dems!


Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
18. When will the media start questioning the motives of the GOP Congress?
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:04 PM
Jan 2019

This avalanche of evidence of Russian involvement surely points to at least the possibility that Congress was also compromised. McConnell's actions, viewed through that lens, are beyond suspicious. Some in the media are finally reviewing Trump's words, deeds and policies in light of potential Russian acquiescence. Why not Congress? Why not Mitch? What over-the-top demonstration of a Russian alliance will it take to wake up the press?

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
29. Hoping this win by Pelosi causes media to hear her
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:33 PM
Jan 2019

Maybe, maybe they will question McConnell’s motives and patriotism

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
41. Not until....
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 03:27 PM
Jan 2019

the MSM's GOP-controlled boards of directors and executives feel their profit margins are threatened.

I'm convinced there's no morality or real patriotism remaining in corporate America today.....

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
44. The first amendment - another casualty of capitalism
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:51 PM
Jan 2019

When corporate masters dictate content, when lies may be reported as truth without consequence, when the line between news and entertainment is so blurred as to be indistinguishable, the profit motive has kneecapped the freedom of the press. Profit has no place in basic human rights (health care, shelter, sustenance) and certainly diminishes the effectiveness of a free press.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
46. K&R for major truth!
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:42 PM
Jan 2019
"the profit motive has kneecapped the freedom of the press".

Just like corporate and other high-wealth money has kneecapped citizen's representation in Congress.

superpatriotman

(6,249 posts)
19. It's past time to dole out Senate seats based on population
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:06 PM
Jan 2019

Enough of this two Senators per state horseshit

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
22. "One of those components is a presidential signature"
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:08 PM
Jan 2019

Yeah, the last one and not even required with a veto proof majority. That's in the Constitution.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
31. Senator McConnell...The President Cannot Sign A Bill That Hasn't Been Voted On Or Sent To Him
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:34 PM
Jan 2019

in the first place. That's in the Constitution too.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
36. The Pres can't veto it either
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jan 2019

until it's been sent to the Oval Office.

Hmmm, maybe this is why Mitch hasn't been doing his job for the last several years - if he pulls his head in and stays quiet maybe no one will notice that he's never read or understood the Constitution.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
39. So too is overriding a veto through 2/3rd vote of both houses
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 03:18 PM
Jan 2019

The entire purpose of this procedure is to function as a check against the president so that he cannot enforce his will over that of the people. Buy fully aligned with the president McConnell has effectively abandoned separation of powers.

So while McConnell can preach about how a bill becomes a law law and cite the Constitution as an excuse for his inaction, he ought to be held to account for his abandoning of his oath

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
50. McConnell????
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:23 PM
Jan 2019

he is the beast of the belly of Russian oligarchs, and Trump, he took millions of dollars he should just step aside, or I want him to be mentioned as an accomplice.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
59. What is NOT in the Constitution is that he Senate will not vote on any bill that is not approved of
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 01:58 AM
Jan 2019

the sitting President.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
61. "speeches on how a bill becomes the law"
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 06:59 AM
Jan 2019

Yet Turtle refused to carry out the process AT ALL, i.e., bringing bills from the House into a committee for discussion/revision and/or onto the floor for consideration/debate/vote regardless of what the President thinks.

Congress is NOT the "Executive Branch". If a bill passes both chambers it goes to the President to either sign (or affirm without signature after 10 days) OR veto.

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