And give well thought out reasons why they can't support him. Bernie has already started the divisiveness, with the statement about "his opponents" a statement and claim aimed squarely at the base of the Democratic Party.

I just hope that the 2020 new voters are somewhat more aware than past ones, the 2018 Midterms and earlier special elections produced hopeful signs, young people that voted were up on issues and the candidates and as a result, we finally have a strong House of Representatives again, after eight years of garbage.

I'm still crying to this day about what was done to her and she put up with every bit of it without complaint.

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Like a good democrat. Unlike Bernie and his people

a thing I consider overblown propaganda and a joke?

Hillary came out forcefully and one hundred percent for Obama. Was the same thing done for her? NO.

Enough with this PUMA shit. I was a hardcore Clinton supporter. When Obama won the nomination, no one worked harder than I did. IRL, I didn't see any PUMA shit, and I have been an activist for more than fifty years.

...campaign with and for him.

I have seen two posts mentioning this PUMA shit just today. Both were by low post count people.

Are we refighting the primary here? I don't like to alert, but...

Bernie sat out August-Late September and did only four appearances for her through Election Day.

I think both Clintons wholeheartedly supported Obama AFTER the convention. I know that Bernie was all over the country - wherever the Clinton campaign wanted him - taking just a week or two to return to VT to campaign for Democratic candidates here.

What is true is that in 2008, 25% of the people who voted for Clinton in the primaries voted for McCain. In 2016, a smaller percent of the Sanders' voters voted for Trump (about 10%).

NO candidate can "deliver" their primary voters. In 2008, it may have been some voting for Clinton were voting for a more hawkish foreign policy and experience. After she lost, that 25% likely were more comfortable with McCain than Obama - and some of that could have been racism.

Similarly, it might be that Sanders voters were more anti trade, anti Wall Street -- and they fell for Trump lies.
It might be that some percent of that 10% were simply sexist.

....that's more than a month later.

Although I remember more toward middle to late September, you saw more toward early September before Bernie lifted a finger.

...right across the river in New Hampshire.

Here's the article - there are other interesting things in that article about the post-convention campaign:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/05/bernie-sanders-is-finally-campaigning-for-hillary-clinton-but-does-she-even-need-him/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3e4512d59c8a

(it's a pay site, if you're already exhausted your free articles you can't access it)

Almost 4.5 million Hillery Clinton voters voted for John Mcain and Obama still won ? .
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Various core Democratic groups were down from 2008. On one of the MSNBC shows, Jim Messina, who was on the Obama team has been studying a sample of Obama 2008 / Trump 2016 group of voters.

Looking at Michigan and Wisconsin an early clue that I missed is that more people voted in the Republican primary. It may have been that that was because they wanted change from where we were. There were more votes in the Democratic primary in Pennsylvania.

Particularly in those midwestern manufacturing states. There were ominous indications from 2014 forth. I have no idea how we missed them. It stunned me when I read "Shattered" and it wasn't a concern during the campaign.

Also the GOP primaries were a feature attraction in 2016, primarily due to Trump. That cannot be overlooked. My aunt voted Obama twice but switched to Republican registration in 2016 and voted Trump, almost exclusively due to those televised primaries. Trump speaks in simple terms while promising everything and spiking fear among older whites who are scared.

Anyway, I was a Hillary supporter in 2008. Not fun here or virtually anywhere, other than MyDD. I would still divide this website as pre-spring 2008 and post-spring 2008. It has never felt the same. Ignore lists were passed around via private message simply if you supported Hillary. Meanwhile there were no threats or indications of not supporting Obama in the general election. But we were stamped as traitors and lesser Democrats for preferring Hillary.

And I will always insist that Hillary was the correct choice in 2008. Any Democrat would have cruised in that environment, with Bush 43 stuck at sub-40 approval since Katrina in August 2005. Our party and the nation would have benefitted more by electing a woman than a black man. Then if you run Obama and Hillary back to back it has to be the more charismatic person second, not first. That cycle after holding the White House for two consecutive terms is the problematic cycle. We were essentially giving ourselves no margin for error by running the more polarizing and less likable figure second, and not first eight years earlier.

That PAC, "People United Means Action" (PUMA) was a fringe group that had very very little effect on anything. I'd never heard of them, so I just looked them upon the FEC website.

In the 2007-2008 filing cycle they collected all of $22,840.00 and spent a total of $253.00, and zero after that!!

Bottom line, they had virtually ZERO effect on anything. It amazes me that people are dwelling on a nothing-committee / "movement".

BTW, a year or two later they were stripped of their PAC status by the FEC for failing to comply with filing requirements.

I was pissed that she was slowly losing the nomination. As soon as it became clear that she would not be the nominee, I hoped every day for her to get the VP nod, when that didn't happen, I was pissed for a week, but NEVER did I remotely consider not supporting then Senator Obama, the choice before me was rather clear, as I saw it then and now.

....are already starting in January the year before the primaries and election.

I was a Sanders supporter and voted for him in the primary. I am a Democrat. As soon as Hillary won the nomination, I threw my complete support behind her and volunteered for her. That's what Democrats do, damn it!!

now saying oh, all the anti-Democratic attacks are by Russian bots.

Bernie did almost nothing to support her in the General Election. I am really glad to see her point that out and call him out by name.

she's sending out a cautionary word to rank in file Dem Party members. "Look out for this guy".

On the idea of a female nominee, somehow implying that maybe the females that have announced are not competent people and are only being mentioned because they are female or a minority.

Thank you Hillary.

You will see that I have long said that Bernie did virtually nothing to help her in the General. I am glad to finally see her calling him out, she lived with his behavior. I think now she sees him trying the same thing on Kamala Harris and Gillibrand (the subject of incessant attacks here on DU, attacks couched under the cover of love for Senator Al Franken). Hillary is standing up to sound a clear voice of warning to democrats and responsible progressives to not fall for those tactics again.

That Trump was getting help from the Russians and may himself be a Russian asset?

That a President Trump would launch an assault on women's reproductive freedom and job opportunities, the he would rollback LGBTQ rights and take things back to the time when LGBTQ people lost jobs due to how they were born?

That a President Trump would create daily chaos?

She was right on every observation, on the money right.

...is it go somewhere else, in that case?