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(6,799 posts)Maybe they are having dinner at Savannah
Guthries house.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,034 posts)catrose
(5,068 posts)I read comments on a Catholic site this morning. The article tried to give "both sides," and the commenters were horrified, when that nice sweet Sandman boy acted so mature beyond his years. WTF?
I can't remember when I didn't know that you gave way to elders. None of these boys had ever been taught that?
Maybe the whole thing bothers me so much because I graduated from a Catholic high school, where I was taught differently.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)That kind of hate goes on all the time. This time it was just caught on video. The people who hate their conduct (including myself) have their views. The "other side" has theirs. Neither will change with even more coverage.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)Media peeps are apologizing left and right.
The Sandmann family has hired a VERY high-powered libel/slander attorney.
The right wing media has outed Mr. Phillips as a liar, a felon, an AWOL, etc.
Is that the kind of update you want to hear?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)He said he was a "Vietnam era vet" not that he went to Vietnam.
His most serious charge was escaping from detention and assault, but it not amount to a felony. The rest was underage drinking and a driving ticket.
This is how whiteness works. Do better.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)that's how they're portraying him.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)That suggests the reich-wing fever swamp is correct.
Do better.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)We been told now!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Would you say that was an accurate characterization?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)The wrong side, per usual, but a side nonetheless.
To paraphrase Rudy Giuliani, those boys were no angels, and neither were the Black Hebrews. But the boys outnumbered the BHs, and the situation was tense.
Perhaps Phillips approached the boys from a perspective that was wrong, but the boys treatment of him remains the same: scornful, hate-filled and racist.
blm
(113,065 posts).
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Igel
(35,320 posts)nobody's actually produced any that showed the kids saying "build the wall."
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)any of the video I saw. (And no, I didn't watch the whole video.) Whether or not it actually happened makes a lot of difference in people's perceptions, and if there were any video in which such chants were audible, I would think it would be all over the Internet. It's not.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Read the article.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)Although quite quickly. Will go back and read it again. But, does the author claim to have heard it him/herself, or is he/she just taking someone's word for it. So much of this was recorded that I find it hard to believe that one of the recordings wouldn't have picked it up.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)This author seems to have jumped to the same conclusion so many others did, that Mr. Phillips served in Vietnam. He didn't. There are errors in this article. The horrible chant may also have been an assumption. I would still like to see a recording where it can be heard.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Amazing.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Of course, harassing women on the street is just "boys will be boys," to all too many people.
dameatball
(7,398 posts)that came from Mr. Phillips.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)he used the vague term "Vietnam times," and I think there were a lot of assumptions made.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)His status must have been top secret because his records showed his MOS was a refer mechanic - an AC repairman.
Their leader was on the today show, and the group was formally apologized to by the Bishop, and invited to the White House.
But there is no such thing as white privilege.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)anyone that has had to deal with these ... so, so, feeling, socially superior, country club members, overpriced, private school grads, future frat boys, screw up legacy's ---- they are just not made of anything but fluff and lies and racism. Working for them opens one's eyes.
Igel
(35,320 posts)was around $8k.
That's not all that bad, actually. If my kids had to go to public schools where we live and that was an option, we'd go for it.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)and, their bishop apologized to them.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)In a letter to parents, the Most Rev. Roger Foys said the diocese was too quick to condemn the actions of the Covington Catholic High School students, particularly those of Nicholas Sandmann, the boy who was seen on video facing off with Native American elder Nathan Phillips as he performed the song "American Indian Movement" near the Lincoln Memorial.
"We should not have allowed ourselves to be bullied and pressured into making a statement prematurely, and we take full responsibility for it," Foys wrote. "I especially apologize to Nicholas Sandmann and his family, as well as to all CovCath families who have felt abandoned during this ordeal."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bishop-apologizes-teen-who-faced-native-american-n963056
Dr Vegas
(456 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Theyre still entitled little Nazis.
kairos12
(12,862 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)A longer video released a day after the story broke includes more than an hour of footage leading up to the incident. I do think it offers a more complicated picture and provides helpful context in understanding how tensions escalated, even if it doesnt change the fundamental takeawaythat these students were engaging in a form of harassment.
https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/teachable-moment-1?utm_source=Main+Reader+List&utm_campaign=2b52d95183-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_03_16_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_407bf353a2-2b52d95183-91236941
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I hope I never hear of them again.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)kimbutgar
(21,162 posts)Now has a reputation of being a racist school.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)so many in the media are backtracking and issuing apologies. The attorney the families have hired will make them pay BIGLY for every tweet, every article, etc.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Interesting.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)high school students! The Hebrews made them act like bigoted little shits, watch the whole video! Innocent until proven guilty (unless your Al Franken)!
What else? Nathan Phillips drank beer while underage back in the '60s! He didn't even serve in Nam, or attend a private military school like Trump - he's a fake! And did you guys see the priest who criticized the Covington boys? Goofy-looking, huh?
THIS IS A WITCH HUNT!
IcyPeas
(21,889 posts)as Phillips approached the kids they were yelling (paraphrasing) look how they mock - that's serious mockery - you at a Native rally in a MAGA hat.
so they also saw it as the kids mocking the Native Americans.
We all know what we saw.
The PR firm must be doing a good job since this story has fallen out of the news cycle.
-peace