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highplainsdem

(48,975 posts)
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 12:55 PM Jan 2019

Trump/Faux News story about 58,000 non-citizens voting in Texas corrected by Tribune, Mediaite

Here's the link:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-propagates-false-fox-friends-story-that-58000-non-citizens-voted-in-texas/

The info from the Texas Tribune in particular makes it clear how shoddy this argument is, since this "voter fraud alert" is based on what the state admitted were "weak matches" of tens of thousands of names over a 22-year period...and without considering the possibility that even if the matches were correct, those people could have become citizens before they voted.

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Trump/Faux News story about 58,000 non-citizens voting in Texas corrected by Tribune, Mediaite (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2019 OP
K&R Scurrilous Jan 2019 #1
There are 2444 records for "Jesus Martinez" in Texas MineralMan Jan 2019 #2
It's my observation that Hispanics have a far lower diversity in names PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #4
I'm sure glad these matching algos weren't in effect when the Norwegians/Swedes came to America erronis Jan 2019 #6
The Puerto Ricans I work with have 4 names Submariner Jan 2019 #7
Sometimes. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #12
I think you may be right. MineralMan Jan 2019 #10
Ya but, Ya but, how many matches for "Jesus Fucking Christ"? progree Jan 2019 #5
Now that's funny, right there, I don't care who you are... MineralMan Jan 2019 #9
Ha Ha! I'm just thinking what it sounded like when he was a kid and his dad yelled at him! KelleyKramer Jan 2019 #13
Helpful Twitter thread from the Texas Tribune blogslut Jan 2019 #3
they have to keep pushing this BS D_Master81 Jan 2019 #8
sounds like the discredited Kobach method Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #11

MineralMan

(146,302 posts)
2. There are 2444 records for "Jesus Martinez" in Texas
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 01:03 PM
Jan 2019
https://www.whitepages.com/name/Jesus-Martinez/TX?q=Jesus%20Martinez&l=TX

3488 records for "Juan Lopez." A guy could go on and on with searches for such common names.

How about "Maria Gonzalez?" There are 18,568 people, apparently, with that name in Texas.

That's the kind of "weak matches" they're talking about. People with common Hispanic names are probably most of the names singled out as possible fraudulent voters in those findings. I'm betting they didn't match names that weren't Hispanic at all.

It's freaking ridiculous.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,855 posts)
4. It's my observation that Hispanics have a far lower diversity in names
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 02:59 PM
Jan 2019

than the rest of us.

I used to work the information desk at the hospital in Santa Fe. It was fairly common to have two people with the same first and last name staying there. If they were far enough apart in age I could ask the visitor about how old their "Juan Lopez" was. One time I had two "Juan Lopezes", and one was 40, the other 42. I gave all the visitors both room numbers, which was technically violating HIPPA, I think, and told them the situation. If the first one isn't your guy, the other one will be, I told them.

erronis

(15,241 posts)
6. I'm sure glad these matching algos weren't in effect when the Norwegians/Swedes came to America
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 03:04 PM
Jan 2019

Pete Peterson, Sven Svenson, Lars Larson.

My recollection is that even first, middle, and last names are not enough to identify multiple individuals living on the same block back in Norse country.

Of course, most of these are white Europeans, so no worries.

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
7. The Puerto Ricans I work with have 4 names
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 03:49 PM
Jan 2019

I work with a lot of Miguel's or Jorge's with frequently heard last names like Hernandez or Rodriguez.

The only way we can distinguish them on the paperwork is their use of the middle name and the mother's last name, for instance; of the three Miguel Hernandez's, only one is named

Miguel Alberto Hernandez Sais.

Do Hispanics in your neck of the woods have those expansive names?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,855 posts)
12. Sometimes.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 06:03 PM
Jan 2019

The bigger problem is that many of them go by nicknames, so someone would come to the hospital to visit his uncle whom he only knew by the nickname. Luckily, I would quickly learn that Uncle Gordo was really Jose Gonzales and send them on their way.

the other problem was that the women not only likewise went by a nickname, but because they were quite casual and totally inconsistent about which last name they used, especially if they were married, I learned to check every possible name combination. For instance, Maria Elena Martinez Garcia might actually be in the hospital under Lupe Corrales, because Corrales was her first husband's surname and for who knows what reason she was known as Lupe. There's supposed to be a system for father's surname and mother's surname, but the Hispanics here simply aren't at all consistent.

Makes me glad I have the unique name of Poindexter Oglethorpe. But no, that's not my real name.

progree

(10,907 posts)
5. Ya but, Ya but, how many matches for "Jesus Fucking Christ"?
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 03:03 PM
Jan 2019
https://www.whitepages.com/name/Jesus-Fucking-Christ/TX?q=Jesus%20Fucking%20Christ&l=TX
7 records for Jesus Fucking Christ in Texas


But 6 of the 7 listings are "Jesus Christ"

One of the listings is for "Jesus H Christ"

KelleyKramer

(8,959 posts)
13. Ha Ha! I'm just thinking what it sounded like when he was a kid and his dad yelled at him!
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 07:51 AM
Jan 2019


... "Jesus H Christ would you stop doing that!"


D_Master81

(1,822 posts)
8. they have to keep pushing this BS
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 03:51 PM
Jan 2019

To make it seem like their voter suppression efforts are being done in good faith.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,343 posts)
11. sounds like the discredited Kobach method
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 05:15 PM
Jan 2019

Kobach was humiliated in court when he had to admit purging voters based on how American their names sounded.

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