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nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 02:04 PM Jan 2019

The WaPo "fact-checker" needs to check his own facts

Glenn Kessler fell for Walmart's BS about paying workers $11 an hour, and claimed that AOC had "misfired" in minimum and living wages.

BUT HOW many hours do they get to work a week?

Online comments suggest that most of Walmart's rank and file get 16-30 hours a week.

The "138% of Federal poverty level" qualifies people for Medicaid in those states that have expanded that yet. For a family of 1, the 2018 limit was $16,753, or precisely 1523 Walmart hours. Over 52 weeks, that's 29.2 hours a week.

Did I mention that the ACA indicates that employees with 30 or more hours should be offered health insurance by their employers?

Simple! Make almost everyone work 29 hours and burden state Medicaid! ((sarcasm))

As for Amazon (also blasted by AOC), they do pay $13.50 an hour for their warehouse workers, but they would still have to work 1241 hours (or about 24 hours a week) to exceed the 138% of FPL. 40 hours a week for 52 weeks brings in $28,080, scarcely a living wage (which is what I think AOC meant to say).

((Disclaimer: I do volunteer tax work, and a lot of our customers don't even make 28K and relay on tax credit refunds to plug the hole. And some others never realized they had to set money aside for self-employment tax...))

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JCanete

(5,272 posts)
1. It was a pretty bad fact-check indeed. Plenty of issues with it, and nobody here seems to care at
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 02:07 PM
Jan 2019

all about the conflict of interest WaPo has when weighing in on anything Amazon, even in the face of this kind of crap. Not saying it would have been better previously, cuz hey, its still corporate media that relies on ad revenue and interviews, etc...but jeeze.

True Dough

(17,303 posts)
2. Did WaPo not even acknowledge the conflict when reporting on Amazon?
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 03:13 PM
Jan 2019

It should be a routine practice for them so readers can reach their own conclusions, or at least read with a skeptical eye.

What are your most trusted sources of journalism, out of curiosity?

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
4. For commentary and analysis TYT. Seder and the Majority Report. Kyle Kulinsky. Humanist Report.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 03:32 PM
Jan 2019

They all have a distinct world-view lens, and don't pretend that they don't, which is far healthier and honest than "neutral" journalism, since there's never any such thing.

Haven't listened to Hartmann in a while but I used to listen to him and Randi Rhodes, Maddow too. I don't watch enough, but Amy Goodman always seems awesome.

For investigative reporting and reporting of facts, the major institutions are still incredibly important in this way. While their biases are implicit in what they cover and how they cover it, they tend to protect their credibility as much as possible, so the actual facts being reported are likely to be solidly vetted, given that they have the manpower to do so. The facts that require much more nuanced understanding than a soundbite though, those seem far less important, so long as one presentation of "the facts" can simply be categorized as that person's personal analysis.

The intercept is not something I follow directly and I think it also wears some biases on its sleeve, some of which I'm not comfortable with, but as an independent source(or if not that, as a counter-establishment source of journalism) I'd say it definitely has its value.

True Dough

(17,303 posts)
5. I know of The Young Turks
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 03:53 PM
Jan 2019

Never checked out the Minority Report or the Humanist Report. Will review their work sometime.

As for the Intercept, I've soured on Glenn Greenwald. Is he still an active contributor?

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
15. It's actually Majority Report, (not minority like the movie)
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:11 PM
Feb 2019
https://m.youtube.com/user/SamSeder
Their live Friday show will be streaming on the YouTube channel I linked above soon at 12:00 Eastern.
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
3. Hey,thanks for
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 03:19 PM
Jan 2019

reaffirming what I have been saying and seeing for the last decade . Flunked Retirement five different times and worked those Part-Time considered full time jobs that are considered now full time.

Know of what you speak,volunteered last year at a Senior Center doing the same Tax Helper,every thing I suspected was bore out in fact.

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
9. Amazon and Walmart both hire tons of "contract" warehousers too...
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 10:14 AM
Jan 2019

These are the ones that work in non-temperature controlled buildings for minimum wages as contractors for third parties for "logistic" companies that don't even have their own employees. It's all a shell game. They keep moving them around away from the reporters while they build these big shiny warehouses here and there. There is a reason for all these "employment agencies" that hire people for temp work with low wages and no benefits.

Denzil_DC

(7,233 posts)
10. I've long had issues with these institutional "fact checkers".
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 10:35 AM
Jan 2019

Too often they rely on appeals to authority: "Oh, they have a team of journalists on this, you can't argue with the WaPo and its impeccable journalistic standards" etc. etc.

Anyone who lays claim to absolute "fact" on debatable issues is setting themselves up for a fall except among those who have a vested interest - whatever that may be - in accepting their opinion, because so often that's all it is. In this case, the overriding motivation seems to be that everything's fine and how dare anyone challenge the status quo? There are many, many facts out there that need checking. Devaluing the practice with partisan claims to "fact" does nobody any favors and just muddies the field even further. A cynic might say that's the intention.

I recall Kessler dishing out a number of Pinocchios to President Obama during his term which were highly questionable (I was an active blogger at the the time on quite a popular US site, and conducted a number of counter-fact checks which were far more grounded in reality).

In his most recent "fact check", Kessler had the good grace to admit "The answer is not easily found." He then conveniently reframed the argument in his own terms in a way that furthered his own argument.

He also added "Disclosure: Jeffrey P. Bezos, Amazon’s chief executive, owns The Washington Post."

A simple acknowledgment of that isn't a "Get out of jail free card". It was used as a prelude to choosing the most favorable interpretation to Amazon.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
12. You mean responsible journalists? The free press?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:50 AM
Feb 2019

Doing their job holding politicians accountable?

You have issues with that?

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
14. It sounds as if you object when certain people get fact checked.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:55 AM
Feb 2019

Gotcha.

And that ignore feature can save you the distress of my "tiresome rhetoric" and "simplistic, self-serving negative gloss."

You're welcome.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
16. +1 Good post
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:18 PM
Feb 2019

... and extra credit for your "volunteer tax work."
Helping low-income folks makes you a good American!


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