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diva77

(7,652 posts)
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:25 PM Jan 2019

Roger Stone Indictment: My Friend, "Person 2"

Greg Palast, among other things, has been uncovering massive election fraud schemes since Dubya stole 2000 election.
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Roger Stone Indictment: My Friend, “Person 2”
January 26, 2019
Greg Palast
https://www.gregpalast.com/roger-stone-indictment-my-friend-person-2/
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What concerns me is that this indictment reveals Mueller’s real targets are what he terms “Organization 1,” Wikileaks, and Julian Assange.

Let’s not get tangled up in debates about Assange’s unsavory personality or conduct. WikiLeaks is an important investigative news service, giving us Chelsea Manning’s inestimably vital evidence of official, deadly misconduct; US State Department cables about oil company crimes I’ve used in my own reporting — and yes, those Democratic Party emails about operations to subvert the Bernie Sanders campaign in possible violation of federal elections law.

By providing a haven for whistleblowers, WikiLeaks has successfully exposed crimes against our democracy. And Mueller, true to his FBI roots, can’t stand it.

Did Russian hackers slip the DNC emails to Wikileaks to help their buddy Trump? Well, no sheet, Sherlock. I can tell you now that not every source of inside documents I receive is from a selfless informer. Everyone, including your mom, has an agenda. But neither Putin nor Assange forged the emails; isn’t that correct, Mr. Blumenthal? Are we afraid of truth, of the facts?

Credico co-hosted a half dozen radio shows with Assange and visited him in Ecuador’s London Embassy. That Mueller hauled Credico before a grand jury to ask about his contacts with Wikileaks should scare those of us who are trying to hold on to the last shreds of Freedom of the Press.

While I enjoy seeing that reptile Roger Stone get his time in the barrel, I am sickened watching Democratic pols and too many progressives, all in the name of cutting up Trump, applaud the return of a witchhunt against journalists and investigative journalism using tropes about foreign influence worthy of Joe McCarthy. Calls from the Left for censorship have a price: My own sites and outlets face real threats of electronic blockade and censorship.

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Roger Stone Indictment: My Friend, "Person 2" (Original Post) diva77 Jan 2019 OP
Wow. Palast really is going to go to bat for Assange here. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2019 #1
I don't see it that way. Palast is fighting for whistleblowers and leakers. diva77 Jan 2019 #2
Wikileaks was a Trojan Horse. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2019 #7
Where there are whistleblowers, there will be others trying to shut them down diva77 Jan 2019 #9
Well arguing for Wikileaks isn't the right way to make that point. Nt Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2019 #10
I don't think anyone here is trying to silence whistleblowers FrankBooth Jan 2019 #12
I am concerned about freedom of the press and safety for diva77 Jan 2019 #15
Everyone on this forum is concerned about freedom of the press FrankBooth Jan 2019 #17
Then why would he post his concern? diva77 Jan 2019 #19
Don't know FrankBooth Jan 2019 #20
I am not carrying a torch for wikileaks. I do know that Palast is an important diva77 Jan 2019 #21
Assange isn't a truth seeker. He's a Putin patsy. Beakybird Jan 2019 #3
It's not about Assange. It's about fighting for freedom of the press. diva77 Jan 2019 #4
This is horseshit pecosbob Jan 2019 #5
Assange is scum FrankBooth Jan 2019 #6
Wikileaks lost their whistleblower/journalistic credentials years ago by always favoring Russia wishstar Jan 2019 #8
I think what Palast is saying is that a blanket condemnation of wikileaks is not safe for diva77 Jan 2019 #11
First, Do No Harm, Greg Me. Jan 2019 #13
I was fooled by Assange - NEVER AGAIN! orangecrush Jan 2019 #14
If at the same time they got the edhopper Jan 2019 #16
They worked with Russia to impact our elections. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #18

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,189 posts)
1. Wow. Palast really is going to go to bat for Assange here.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:28 PM
Jan 2019

That’s...disappointing.

Suckered into Assange’s whole “I’m just for open government, that’s all” nonsense that most of us realized was bullshit long ago.

diva77

(7,652 posts)
2. I don't see it that way. Palast is fighting for whistleblowers and leakers.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:31 PM
Jan 2019

Where would we be without people like Daniel Ellsberg?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,189 posts)
7. Wikileaks was a Trojan Horse.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:54 PM
Jan 2019

It claimed to be one thing and turned out to be something completely different.

To the extent it ever had the mission you claim it did, it lost it the moment it became a Russian agent to interfere in the elections of other countries.

diva77

(7,652 posts)
9. Where there are whistleblowers, there will be others trying to shut them down
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:57 PM
Jan 2019

Palast is not advocating for the person, Assange. It's about providing an outlet for whistleblowers and a place for investigative journalists to sift through documents from whistleblowers.

FrankBooth

(1,606 posts)
12. I don't think anyone here is trying to silence whistleblowers
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:05 PM
Jan 2019

But Wikileaks is not a whistleblower, it's an intelligence operation aimed at undermining American (and all Western) democracies. That's a fact. Maybe they didn't start out that way, but that's what they are now and can never be trusted again. Real whistleblowers don't selectively leak they way they do.

diva77

(7,652 posts)
15. I am concerned about freedom of the press and safety for
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:12 PM
Jan 2019

investigative journalists and whistleblowers. Palast has been on the ground doing the legwork and he is expressing concern. His reports on election fraud have been invaluable. I find it hard to just dismiss what he is expressing.

FrankBooth

(1,606 posts)
17. Everyone on this forum is concerned about freedom of the press
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:16 PM
Jan 2019

But Greg's legwork does not change the facts about what Wikileaks is.

FrankBooth

(1,606 posts)
20. Don't know
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:27 PM
Jan 2019

And I suspect neither do you.

What I do know is that Wikileaks is not a whistleblower. Again, that is an easily proven fact.

If you want to carry the torch for Wikileaks, that's your prerogative ... but don't expect a great reaction here.

diva77

(7,652 posts)
21. I am not carrying a torch for wikileaks. I do know that Palast is an important
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:44 PM
Jan 2019

investigative journalist and that's why I posted his concerns here. I never said wikileaks is a whistleblower. My understanding was that it was a place whistleblowers could unload documents. That's all I know.

Beakybird

(3,333 posts)
3. Assange isn't a truth seeker. He's a Putin patsy.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:37 PM
Jan 2019

People have fed him leaks embarrassing to Putin, and he won't publish it.
The whole purpose of his operation is to damage Western democracy and help Russia.

pecosbob

(7,542 posts)
5. This is horseshit
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:44 PM
Jan 2019

No one from Justice tried to muscle Credico. He had knowledge pertinent to the commission of a felony. Assange relinquished whatever credentials he had as a journalist when he decided to move beyond reportage to conspiracy to violate U.S. election law.

FrankBooth

(1,606 posts)
6. Assange is scum
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:52 PM
Jan 2019

and no more a whistleblower than Michael Cohen. Wikileaks is a hostile intelligent entity targeting democratic institutions of the United States (& the West) and deserves to be treated as such. Any ancillary benefit they may have once provided means nothing now, and in fact that's only trotted out as a way to sew further division and obfuscate the organization's true intentions.

If you're an American, Wikileaks means you harm.

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
8. Wikileaks lost their whistleblower/journalistic credentials years ago by always favoring Russia
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:55 PM
Jan 2019

also, there have been credible allegations that several of the DNC or Podesta emails released by Wikileaks in 2016 had been falsified and altered for propaganda purposes. Also the coordination and deliberate timing of the releases to help Trump and hurt Clinton serving Putin's aims to sway our election undercuts Wikileaks claim to represent investigative journalism and honest whistleblowing.

diva77

(7,652 posts)
11. I think what Palast is saying is that a blanket condemnation of wikileaks is not safe for
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:01 PM
Jan 2019

preservation of freedom of the press

Me.

(35,454 posts)
13. First, Do No Harm, Greg
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:08 PM
Jan 2019

Wikileaks has turned itself, into a version of malware, for a reason I cannot fathom.

edhopper

(33,604 posts)
16. If at the same time they got the
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:15 PM
Jan 2019

emails, which were no more than dirty laundry. They also gave us what Putin has on Trump then maybe I'd buy a tenth of the shit he is selling.
But go fuck yourself Greg.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
18. They worked with Russia to impact our elections.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:20 PM
Jan 2019

The whistleblower aspect can be done by many outlets.

Also, Wikileaks has coordinated directly with Russian state run media.

Wikileaks is an agenda driven organization and simply releasing information given by others does not equate to journalism. That is a stretch too far.

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