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onenote

(42,769 posts) Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:07 AM Jan 2019

What makes Shultz a more attractive candidate than the Democrats who are running?

I don't want Howard Schultz to run, but I'm curious as to why so many people are certain that if he does, it will destroy the chances of the Democratic nominee winning.

Put another way, why do people think voters would prefer Schultz over the Democratic nominee? I've heard Schultz described as Trump-lite, as bad on social security and medicare, as bad on taxes. Why would someone who might otherwise vote for Kamala Harris, or Elizabeth Warren, or any of the other potential Democratic nominees, prefer Schultz?

I recognize that there are Independents and even some Republicans that don't want Trump. But how many of Republicans would vote for a Democrat rather than just stay home? How many would vote for Schultz if they thought it was helping Trump?

If our message and messenger can't beat Schultz, we're in trouble.

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What makes Shultz a more attractive candidate than the Democrats who are running? (Original Post) onenote Jan 2019 OP

It's quite clear what makes him more attractive... JHB Jan 2019 #1

Clearly he is going for Republiscum votes. I got all in an uproar meanwhile he sounds NOTHING like UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #2

I thought the same of Trump. He'll be lucky to make it the next two weeks or a month Autumn Jan 2019 #7

To some voters D_Master81 Jan 2019 #3

He comes off as a moderate Republican light or a right leaning centrist to me. Autumn Jan 2019 #4

Because he presumably siphons more votes from Dems than Repugs. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #5

Nothing. Schultz is a centrist who wants to cut Medicaid and Social Security. sarcasmo Jan 2019 #6

Cutting SS and medicare isn't centerist it's right wing orthodoxy. comradebillyboy Jan 2019 #13

Dems are expecting Independents to vote against Trump marylandblue Jan 2019 #8

From the soundbytes I saw... jcgoldie Jan 2019 #9

Agree 100% SharonClark Jan 2019 #10

He's not, but ANY candidate who takes any % of vote is poison. themaguffin Jan 2019 #11

We don't need anyone or anything pushing our eventual candidate right. doompatrol39 Jan 2019 #12

Nothing. But, someone who sold the world overpriced, lousy coffee and made it... TreasonousBastard Jan 2019 #14

His only real talent is flooding the market with stores. world wide wally Jan 2019 #15

JHB

(37,162 posts)

1. It's quite clear what makes him more attractive...

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:09 AM

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)

2. Clearly he is going for Republiscum votes. I got all in an uproar meanwhile he sounds NOTHING like

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:10 AM

Jan 2019

a Dem (for a supposed life long Dem)..so let him run on his terrible platform.

Oh and I can't even IMAGINE this guy being able to hang around and hang on for the next two years. He'll be lucky to make it the next two weeks.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)

7. I thought the same of Trump. He'll be lucky to make it the next two weeks or a month

Reply to UniteFightBack (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:17 AM

Jan 2019

Look where we are.

D_Master81

(1,822 posts)

3. To some voters

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:12 AM

Jan 2019

There will be some voters who see the whole system as broken and possibly vote for him as protest, kinda like how a couple people I know voted for Trump more out of protest than thinking he was the better candidate. Now these are the people who likely would just stay at home if he's not in the race, but thats the only thing I could think of why someone would vote for him.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)

4. He comes off as a moderate Republican light or a right leaning centrist to me.

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:14 AM

Jan 2019

Another typical give me more fucking tax breaks billionaire from hearing him the other day.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)

5. Because he presumably siphons more votes from Dems than Repugs.

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:16 AM

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sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)

6. Nothing. Schultz is a centrist who wants to cut Medicaid and Social Security.

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:17 AM

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comradebillyboy

(10,176 posts)

13. Cutting SS and medicare isn't centerist it's right wing orthodoxy.

Reply to sarcasmo (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:30 AM

Jan 2019

What moderate in the Democratic party has advocated that?

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)

8. Dems are expecting Independents to vote against Trump

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:17 AM

Jan 2019

If Schultz splits the Trump protest vote, Trump could win with a minority of voters. This happened in 2016 with Stein and Johnson.

jcgoldie

(11,651 posts)

9. From the soundbytes I saw...

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:17 AM

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His message is simply "both sidesism" which the media of course loves. Both sides have gone to the extreme and let the people down was what I heard him saying. This is what passes for objectivity is if they can split the difference and give equal critique to either side, regardless of how ridiculous or nonfact-based one side may be on any given topic. It started with climate change and now its pretty much everything. His message will resonate with some because its parroted by media shills across the board looking for ratings and to avoid pissing off 35% of their audience who are off in the weeds with Trump on shit like ridiculous border walls. I don't see this message peeling off many democrats, but it could cost us votes from independents who are disgusted by Trump but eager to buy the narrative that Nancy Pelosi or whoever is just as far in the opposite extreme.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)

10. Agree 100%

Reply to jcgoldie (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:18 AM

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themaguffin

(3,826 posts)

11. He's not, but ANY candidate who takes any % of vote is poison.

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:19 AM

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doompatrol39

(428 posts)

12. We don't need anyone or anything pushing our eventual candidate right.

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:29 AM

Jan 2019

...if we have 2 out of 3 candidates screaming about how we need to cut entitlements and how the debt is so troublesome than I worry it will push our candidate to have to explain their positions with a right leaning economic framing.

That's definitely how the media will push things and if the candidate falls into this trap then it could depress more liberal turnout.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)

14. Nothing. But, someone who sold the world overpriced, lousy coffee and made it...

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:31 AM

Jan 2019

a household name is capable of anything.

world wide wally

(21,755 posts)

15. His only real talent is flooding the market with stores.

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:56 AM

Jan 2019

How does that translate to government.

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