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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:40 PM Jan 2019

Not impeaching Trump or forcing him to resign would destroy the office of president.

If Trump is voted out of office everything he has done and will do will be normalized. All future presidents would be above the law.

They could lie, obstruct justice, commit crimes, break their oath of office, break the constitution. Trump has done all of this.

Every future candidate would realize they could do the same and the worst thing that could happen to them is they would be voted out of office after 4 years.

Trump must be removed one way or another. The constitution demands it.

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Not impeaching Trump or forcing him to resign would destroy the office of president. (Original Post) shockey80 Jan 2019 OP
I kinda agree, but at the same time, my instincts tell me this could be what Obama called a... SKKY Jan 2019 #1
The Constitution demands it and so do WE! 2naSalit Jan 2019 #2
Agreed 100% nt usrbs Jan 2019 #3
The same goes for criminal prosecutions after he's out of office. No f-ing pardons. RockRaven Jan 2019 #4
Don't forget the GWB admin 90-percent Jan 2019 #10
The damage is done whether he is removed from office or not marylandblue Jan 2019 #5
On the other hand.... A HERETIC I AM Jan 2019 #6
So what's your answer if he isn't removed via impeachment&conviction? bearsfootball516 Jan 2019 #7
Crickets. cwydro Jan 2019 #14
Let "respect for the office" fail ck4829 Jan 2019 #20
Congressional Malpractice not to Impeach aeromanKC Jan 2019 #8
The magnitude of Trumps Treason 90-percent Jan 2019 #9
Agreed. The precedent that would be set will haunt all of us for a long, long time. Garrett78 Jan 2019 #11
I agree. lunatica Jan 2019 #12
and then President Pence Raine Jan 2019 #13
So when it happens again in 20 years will it be OK lunatica Jan 2019 #15
that's a good point Raine Jan 2019 #16
He's probably as crooked as the rest of his party lunatica Jan 2019 #18
Thank you. i was about to poset something similar last night. allgood33 Jan 2019 #17
K&R ck4829 Jan 2019 #19
I'm still waiting for G.W. Bush to go down scarytomcat Jan 2019 #21
Limit the Presidency's Powers McKim Jan 2019 #22
Not if he is indicted and convicted Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #23
So would impeaching Trump and NOT BEING ABLE TO CONVICT HIM brooklynite Jan 2019 #24
He must be removed as a circumstance of his guilt of treason amywalk Feb 2019 #25
Have we got his taxes yet? Dems have the power to do that I unserstand. jalan48 Feb 2019 #26
No, Trump will just replay his greatest hits procon Feb 2019 #27
If half the shit we all think happened did in fact happen, and can be prove, Trump needs RHMerriman Feb 2019 #28

SKKY

(11,822 posts)
1. I kinda agree, but at the same time, my instincts tell me this could be what Obama called a...
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:43 PM
Jan 2019

..."teachable moment". As in, teaching the idiots who voted for him that elections do have consequences, and now you have to deal with those consequences. Having said that, your words make a lot of sense to me. A lot.

2naSalit

(86,791 posts)
2. The Constitution demands it and so do WE!
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:44 PM
Jan 2019

And we also need to start demanding paper ballots nationwide, now. It's the only way we can ensure the elections next go round.

RockRaven

(15,002 posts)
4. The same goes for criminal prosecutions after he's out of office. No f-ing pardons.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:47 PM
Jan 2019

Ford's pardon of Nixon and GHWB's Iran-Contra pardons are a major contributing factor to the current rampant criminality in the upper reaches of the GOP and conservative politics in general (NRA, etc). These assholes feel like they are teflon, because history tells them so.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
10. Don't forget the GWB admin
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:39 PM
Jan 2019

Lying us into a bullshit invasion of Iraq and torture as official policy and merc's literally getting away with murder.

If they weren't held to account and then trump is not held to account, then party over, outa time for our Democratic Republic.

-90% Jimmy

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
5. The damage is done whether he is removed from office or not
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:57 PM
Jan 2019

Even if Trump is impeached and convicted, the lesson for Presidents is that they can do the same thing, only much more carefully. They won't be tweeting and acting all buggy. They'll be much more subtle and strategic. Very cruel, but only when necessary. Better at talking to and controlling the media. The people will love it, and only a few of us will see what is going on.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,378 posts)
6. On the other hand....
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:03 PM
Jan 2019

Trumpy is such an outlier that no serious candidate would or could possibly act anything like him.


What we really need is a president who will give away (or give back to Congress where they belong) the extra and perhaps unconstitutional "powers" the presidency has acquired over the years.

ck4829

(35,091 posts)
20. Let "respect for the office" fail
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:49 AM
Jan 2019

Other offices, other institutions should become the face of the government.

aeromanKC

(3,327 posts)
8. Congressional Malpractice not to Impeach
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:05 PM
Jan 2019

Just from what know already (emoluments just for starters) it would be Congressional malpractice for the House not to Impeach Trump. Let the Senate have their trial and then vote. But for Constitutional and historical purposes, this must be done and the Senate must be held accountable for why they did or did not vote for Impeachment.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
9. The magnitude of Trumps Treason
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:34 PM
Jan 2019

dictates his fate should be like that of deserters in wartime - the FIRING SQUAD.

The "we have to look forward, not backward" Doctrine cannot be used ever again! If this traitor and his Kriminal Klan are not prosecuted to the full extent of the law, then we will forever loose the gift of Democracy of our FF's.

This the choice America has RIGHT NOW; DEMOCRACY OR TOTALITARIAN FASCISM

-90% Jimmy

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
11. Agreed. The precedent that would be set will haunt all of us for a long, long time.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 03:23 AM
Jan 2019

What Putin and Republicans want is to undermine trust in government. There's no better way to do that than normalizing the criminal Trump enterprise.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. I agree.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 03:29 AM
Jan 2019

I used to have doubts that any kind of impeachment would be pursued so I didn’t waste time wishing for it.

But now I believe impeachment is imperative if we want to call ourselves a Democracy. The words ‘no one is above the law’ are either a fact or they are not.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
16. that's a good point
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 04:47 AM
Jan 2019

but Pence can do so much damage and could end up being in for two terms of his own plus finishingTrump's. I worry that Pence will look so much more sane, rational, reasonable and likable compared to Trump that he can pass all of Trump's agenda and the effects will be felt for decades.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. He's probably as crooked as the rest of his party
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:32 AM
Jan 2019

There are plenty of rumors, and if Mueller has something on him he isn’t telling us.

 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
17. Thank you. i was about to poset something similar last night.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:00 AM
Jan 2019

If Trump is not impeached, then we may as well throw away the impeachment provision of the Constitution. If Trump is not impeached, no other President of the US can or should be impeached (even if shot someone on Broadway.)

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
21. I'm still waiting for G.W. Bush to go down
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:16 AM
Jan 2019

him and Reagan made trump possible and don't forget H.W.
We have a long history of criminals in government
We will weather this too

McKim

(2,412 posts)
22. Limit the Presidency's Powers
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:34 AM
Jan 2019

We must limit the power of the presidency or we will just keep “electing” dictators!!!! Trump must be removed from office, no more impeachment off the table and no more jail off the table!!

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
23. Not if he is indicted and convicted
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:48 AM
Jan 2019

after he leaves office.

If he resigns or removed, Pence will pardon him.

brooklynite

(94,731 posts)
24. So would impeaching Trump and NOT BEING ABLE TO CONVICT HIM
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:53 AM
Jan 2019

That would validate everything he did by allowing to say he'd been acquitted.

amywalk

(254 posts)
25. He must be removed as a circumstance of his guilt of treason
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 01:17 AM
Feb 2019

against the United States of America. If there is anything less, we will have lost our democracy and form of government. His presidency must be annulled and that includes vacating any and all governmental offices where he inserted someone into that office. Any and all executive orders, laws, and appointed positions must be annulled. All judicial appointments must be vacated including Supreme Court appointments. Gorsuch and Kavannaugh must be impeached along with any and all judicial appointments made by Trump. His presidency and anything that came along with it must be annulled. It should be as though it never happened, but it did. We need to remember how close we came to losing our democracy. A slivers edge is how close we came. Thank God, Obama left some breadcrumbs for us to follow in order to find our way home.

procon

(15,805 posts)
27. No, Trump will just replay his greatest hits
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 01:44 AM
Feb 2019

from the last electionif he looses and complain that those mean Dems "rigged the election", or paid millions of terrible brown skinned folks to vote for the Dems winner.

His brainwashed base will believe anything he says, and that will also devide the nation, so it's still damned if you do and damned if you don't.

The only way the Dems can get a return on their risk investment in outing Trump is to expose him and all his crimes and misdemeanors to the public through the process of a thorough House investigation during an Impeachment.

RHMerriman

(1,376 posts)
28. If half the shit we all think happened did in fact happen, and can be prove, Trump needs
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:10 AM
Feb 2019

If half the shit we all think happened did in fact happen, and can be proved, Trump needs to end up at the end of a rope.

Traitorous bastard.

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