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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNot impeaching Trump or forcing him to resign would destroy the office of president.
If Trump is voted out of office everything he has done and will do will be normalized. All future presidents would be above the law.
They could lie, obstruct justice, commit crimes, break their oath of office, break the constitution. Trump has done all of this.
Every future candidate would realize they could do the same and the worst thing that could happen to them is they would be voted out of office after 4 years.
Trump must be removed one way or another. The constitution demands it.
SKKY
(11,822 posts)..."teachable moment". As in, teaching the idiots who voted for him that elections do have consequences, and now you have to deal with those consequences. Having said that, your words make a lot of sense to me. A lot.
2naSalit
(86,791 posts)And we also need to start demanding paper ballots nationwide, now. It's the only way we can ensure the elections next go round.
usrbs
(632 posts)RockRaven
(15,002 posts)Ford's pardon of Nixon and GHWB's Iran-Contra pardons are a major contributing factor to the current rampant criminality in the upper reaches of the GOP and conservative politics in general (NRA, etc). These assholes feel like they are teflon, because history tells them so.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)Lying us into a bullshit invasion of Iraq and torture as official policy and merc's literally getting away with murder.
If they weren't held to account and then trump is not held to account, then party over, outa time for our Democratic Republic.
-90% Jimmy
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Even if Trump is impeached and convicted, the lesson for Presidents is that they can do the same thing, only much more carefully. They won't be tweeting and acting all buggy. They'll be much more subtle and strategic. Very cruel, but only when necessary. Better at talking to and controlling the media. The people will love it, and only a few of us will see what is going on.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,378 posts)Trumpy is such an outlier that no serious candidate would or could possibly act anything like him.
What we really need is a president who will give away (or give back to Congress where they belong) the extra and perhaps unconstitutional "powers" the presidency has acquired over the years.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Lol.
ck4829
(35,091 posts)Other offices, other institutions should become the face of the government.
aeromanKC
(3,327 posts)Just from what know already (emoluments just for starters) it would be Congressional malpractice for the House not to Impeach Trump. Let the Senate have their trial and then vote. But for Constitutional and historical purposes, this must be done and the Senate must be held accountable for why they did or did not vote for Impeachment.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)dictates his fate should be like that of deserters in wartime - the FIRING SQUAD.
The "we have to look forward, not backward" Doctrine cannot be used ever again! If this traitor and his Kriminal Klan are not prosecuted to the full extent of the law, then we will forever loose the gift of Democracy of our FF's.
This the choice America has RIGHT NOW; DEMOCRACY OR TOTALITARIAN FASCISM
-90% Jimmy
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)What Putin and Republicans want is to undermine trust in government. There's no better way to do that than normalizing the criminal Trump enterprise.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I used to have doubts that any kind of impeachment would be pursued so I didnt waste time wishing for it.
But now I believe impeachment is imperative if we want to call ourselves a Democracy. The words no one is above the law are either a fact or they are not.
Raine
(30,540 posts)Uh absolutely no thanks!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)because we were afraid of Pence? Really?
Raine
(30,540 posts)but Pence can do so much damage and could end up being in for two terms of his own plus finishingTrump's. I worry that Pence will look so much more sane, rational, reasonable and likable compared to Trump that he can pass all of Trump's agenda and the effects will be felt for decades.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)There are plenty of rumors, and if Mueller has something on him he isnt telling us.
allgood33
(1,584 posts)If Trump is not impeached, then we may as well throw away the impeachment provision of the Constitution. If Trump is not impeached, no other President of the US can or should be impeached (even if shot someone on Broadway.)
ck4829
(35,091 posts)scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)him and Reagan made trump possible and don't forget H.W.
We have a long history of criminals in government
We will weather this too
McKim
(2,412 posts)We must limit the power of the presidency or we will just keep electing dictators!!!! Trump must be removed from office, no more impeachment off the table and no more jail off the table!!
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)after he leaves office.
If he resigns or removed, Pence will pardon him.
brooklynite
(94,731 posts)That would validate everything he did by allowing to say he'd been acquitted.
amywalk
(254 posts)against the United States of America. If there is anything less, we will have lost our democracy and form of government. His presidency must be annulled and that includes vacating any and all governmental offices where he inserted someone into that office. Any and all executive orders, laws, and appointed positions must be annulled. All judicial appointments must be vacated including Supreme Court appointments. Gorsuch and Kavannaugh must be impeached along with any and all judicial appointments made by Trump. His presidency and anything that came along with it must be annulled. It should be as though it never happened, but it did. We need to remember how close we came to losing our democracy. A slivers edge is how close we came. Thank God, Obama left some breadcrumbs for us to follow in order to find our way home.
jalan48
(13,886 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)from the last electionif he looses and complain that those mean Dems "rigged the election", or paid millions of terrible brown skinned folks to vote for the Dems winner.
His brainwashed base will believe anything he says, and that will also devide the nation, so it's still damned if you do and damned if you don't.
The only way the Dems can get a return on their risk investment in outing Trump is to expose him and all his crimes and misdemeanors to the public through the process of a thorough House investigation during an Impeachment.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)If half the shit we all think happened did in fact happen, and can be proved, Trump needs to end up at the end of a rope.
Traitorous bastard.