When I see it.

There is a year's worth of news every day with this idiot in office. I can't predict 3 days out let alone 2020.

I do believe, though, that the Mueller report is going to be very bad, and that will greatly affect things, including if he's even still in office.

HRC was running around the country trying to "run up the score" as part of establishing a mandate for her presidency.

and slightly less than Romney (47%).

That won't be nearly enough to defeat a more unified Democratic base in 2020.

As long as Putin still owns his bitch - and his bitch is his for life, however long it may be now - he fixes the results to suit him. It worked just fine for him last time, no?

He hacked the DNC and pumped out propoganda fast and thick. Despicable, but it doesn't qualify as rigging the results of the election.

...hack enough voting machines that it flipped a few swing states, and that's all it took.
Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and perhaps North Carolina.

It probably happened in other states as well, but the margin wasn't close enough to matter.
In those 4 states it did matter, and it changed everything.

there are reports that they (the GRU) were able to access (and, potentially, alter) voting rolls in as many as 35 major municipalities. this doesn't sound like a lot but it could have been enough, along with their media and propaganda operations, to sway the election in some very critical places. we really don't know exactly how far their access to our system went... we may not ever know all of it.

who can make sure that the Democrats are not united.

two candidates to choose from this time.

they have a habit of keeping on running when kicked to the curb and damaging the nominee along the way whilst riling up supporters to not vote for the nominee because their messiah was cheated out of winning.

Ha.

will mobilize because they hate Democrats more than Russians.

They're picking their teeth from the floor as we speak.

enthusiasm, and it is OVERWHELMINGLY high on the Democratic side right now.

60.7 million votes for the Democrats nearly matches Gump's 2016 total, and it will be significantly higher in 2020.

Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Dems can turn out all the votes they want in other states. Mid-terms went well for Dems in those states. However, Presidential elections will bring out the true believers in those states. Enthusiasm in California and New York won’t matter. My negativity keeps me motivated. I saw what unbridled enthusiasm did in 2016.

what happened in those 3 states in the midterms, that's entirely your problem. I don't need negativity to keep motivated as that scum sucking pervert in the white house is all the motivation I need.

all 3 states now have Democrats as governors.

Florida was also very close in 2016 and for both Governor & Senate in 2018. It's still a swing state.

Georgia, Arizona and Texas are trending from Red to Pink

Democrats made some good gains in Iowa in 2018, though disappointingly did not reclaim the statehouse.

Especially in Wisconsin and Michigan.

Walker got defeated and after this week's news about FoxCONn it is going to be difficult for Republicans to win. I foresee Republican leaders Vos and Fitzgerald in the legislative to be defeated in 2020 because of that. If that happens, Republicans are screwed.

I think in 2020, trump will affect one of the highest turnouts for a presidential election in 50 years, but not in the way he thinks.

But I could never see him getting elected in the first place either.

There is no way back from here

in 2020, it'll be worse under competent, united authoritarian plutocrats. Yes, people are waking up and less complacent, but the danger of stolen elections is huge. Hitler and his thugs did NOT win most elections in Germany and other east European nations. They stole them.

Stacey Abrams will speak to the nation after the SOTU, but not as Governor of Georgia. The entire nation and planet WATCHED that election be blatantly stolen, and the thieves control Georgia's state government.

If Trump goes down but McConnell is still in place, our Republic is still in danger. He bragged that he's making "generational changes" to the judiciary, and he is. McConnell has shown that he will break any tradition or custom. I'm astonished that our system has survived this many years considering so much is based on people respecting the normal way of doing things, the correct way of doing things.

to democracy by many millions, even rejection by those right AND left who are tired of losing to majorities in elections.

I'm not astonished yet, but definitely scared. That we have survived so long is proof of the strength of our constitutionally based systems and to those in each generation who believe in and support government by all citizens, not just by those who chant their slogans. But previous generations never had to prevail against the digital systems weaponized against democracy that we face now.

....shame on me.

I was one of the people that laughed at trump supporters before election day in 2016.. I was saying stuff like: "How can you be so out of touch, that you think he has a chance in hell?"

I posted something on Facebook that went something like this: "Tomorrow is election day, let's all remember to get out and vote. Also, if you're voting for trump, remember to lose with dignity, and if you're voting for Clinton, to win with graciousness".

I genuinely felt bad for the foolish folks that had so little understanding of the world, that they thought donald trump was going to be the next President.

That whole thing didn't turn out well for me, or my country.

I think we're going to win the Presidency in 2020. But, to me, just thinking that isn't enough. To steal a line from the movie 'Remember The Titans'...we should leave no doubt.

We should assume trump will be the republican nominee in 2020. We should work our asses off to beat him. If we do, we'll win.

We should assume that everybody that voted for trump in 2016 will vote for him again in 2020. We need to get everybody back that voted for Obama in 2012. If we do, we'll win.

We should assume that the states that look like they are 'locks' for us, aren't. We should campaign hard there any way. 51-49 isn't good enough. 55-45 isn't good enough. If the polls are showing us up 70-30...that isn't good enough. We need to want more.

But I think the most important thing that we need to do to win is to not beat the hell out of our eventual candidate during the primaries. Even if we all can't agree on who should be team captain, we need to remember that we are all on the same team.

I went to bed Election Night, certain that Hillary had won. Shocked the next day when they said HE was the president. I have been scared ever since. He is a total disaster, backed by the gop. The Russian money, and "Kompromat" keeps the gop firmly in his group. Mueller needs to take down McConnell and other gop enablers, so we can rid the country of the orange scourge. Seems EVERY gop member has taken "donations" from Russia. They need to be exposed.

The 2018 election was not won by talk. It was won by hard footwork, the same way President Obama won. Good old fashioned local work.

The system he set up was allowed to fade while he was in office. The young,energetic groups took over to win this, with, I am sure plenty of directions from President Obama.

There were numerous factors at play in 2016 that won't be at play in 2020. That's not an invitation to get complacent. It's just a fact. Sure, the media still sucks. And Russia is still waging their social media campaign.

But Clinton was the victim of 25 years of attacks, while Trump was new and the "change" candidate, following 8 years of a Democratic administration. And then there was Comey's last minute announcement.

Now, we're 2 years into an absolute disaster with a despised president* who is under a criminal investigation that makes Watergate seem like child's play.

Trump's 2020 chances are slim at best, and I won't be surprised if he resigns.

The folks insisting that we must have an old white male at the top of the ticket don't seem to grasp the nature of our changing electorate. Nor do they seem to realize that Michigan and Pennsylvania have been won by the Democratic nominee in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections (with the lone exception being incredibly close in spite of all the aforementioned factors working against us), and that the Democratic nominee won Wisconsin in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. To say nothing of the gains we made in those states in 2018's midterm when Democrats are notorious for low turnout. We obviously do a fine job of "talking to the people in those states" in spite of worries to the contrary.

On top of all that, North Carolina, Florida, Arizona, Georgia and even Texas will be in play. If nothing else, Trump -- or whoever the Republican nominee is -- will have to spend substantial time and money in all of those states.

The days of a candidate winning 400+ electoral votes may be long gone, but 350 is certainly within reach for the Democratic nominee.

Just backed Trump, along wih Cory Gardner..

Sherrod bron is testing the waters to run for President.

But DeWine would be able to name a Senator. Brown won in 2016..

Jimmy Carter lost re-election and he was arguably the most decent person to ever hold the office.

I want that bastard impeached as soon as the Mueller report drops.

Let that pathetic wet blanket Pence lose big in 2020. And let Donald Trump be in a courtroom by that time.

Nor who we will put up.

Can't see repukes putting trump up since the Mueller report will surely soil trump more to what degree we don't know. Doubtful he will gain support from the report.

All I know is that the right and the media are already defining us as extreme leftists, radicals, who are itching to get taxes raised.

My spouse (and lots of others): Trump will never win in a general election - I hope he wins the Republican primary. I beleive some Democrats went so far as to do a crossover vote for Trump in the primaries - just to ensure that he was the candidate becasue he would be so easy to beat.

Meanwhile, I'm shaking in my boots, knowing darn well how uneducated and sheep-like far too much of the American populace is.

So no. Don't even utter those words, let alone act on them.

and installed him as President.

I heard on MSNBC today that the Russians have INCREASED their involvement in our democracy, not decreased. Do you have inside information that we won't have the same result in 2020, regardless who the Presidential candidate is?

I'm sick just thinking about it.

That's all we know.

could be 2 years, 6 years. Maybe 20 years.

Hopefully we'll survive.

They are experts in propaganda,economic warfare and election tampering. While Putin's main target was Clinton because she was willing to counter him, the Russians have not stopped.

If Trump is no longer useful they may simply use their warfare expertise to back someone else.

Schultz has nineStarbucks in russi. I suspect wants more. He certainly has not yet denounced Russian interference.

New Republican and independent candidates are lining up to run in case Trump no longer meets their objectives.

At the present time Russia does not want an effective US president unless that person is going to carry out Russian policy.

I have heard from 4 people who said they voted for Trump that say they won’t do it again. They’ll either stay home or vote 3rd party. These are GOP people that aren’t in his “base”.

i remember 2016 all too well

i remember thinking the GOP was absolutely insane for nominating a douchebag like Trump to go up against a true stateswoman. i remember her substantial polling advantage early on. i remember thinking we had a sure thing, and HRC would win 35+ states. i remember the "grab 'em by the pussy" footage. how could any half-aware person vote for such disrespect, such misogyny?

i remember going to the Portland convention center for the state Democrats' election night party. before going, i stopped for dinner at a Vietnamese-Thai restaurant where they had a news channel on the flatscreen running election coverage. i remember when the results came in for Florida. i remember getting that sinking feeling in my gut. i remember the trip downtown starting to feel increasingly less jovial. i remember the haunted looks on people's faces in the convention center. the open bar was already in heavy use.

"what the heck is happening?" i muttered to a guy sitting next to me. "i don't know, but it's happening," he replied.

i saw people weeping into their phones. i saw grief, despair, rage, disappointment all around me, and within me, as confidence dissolved into horror. it was a clarifying moment, a night that changed everything. and when i got home, DU had been taken down by professional Russian hackers.

i will never again have such confidence in our presidential candidates. until the EC vote is certified, i will assume we have a non-zero chance of losing. until the Democratic president is sworn in, i will assume the Republicans will apply shenanigans of any kind they can come up with to prevent it.

that 65% number looks pretty nice, but i bet if you poke at it a bit and give it a few months of primary campaigns, you find out that 10% of that is Republicans who will eventually vote for Trump anyway and 20%+ who won't vote at all.

make no mistake, 2020 is going to be a nasty bloodbath regardless, and we will be lucky to emerge victorious.

The constant bashing takes its toll. It can't be ignored.

Schultz is thankful to Trump for giving him and his business that huge tax cut.

which he will keep after he drops out (or for legal fees)

I submit that in '08 the operative word was "CHANGE" without being specific, without naming Shrub. But what it meant was ANYBODY-DIFFERENT-FROM-SHRUB. It was code language. That's what it is after what we've gone through with SHITLER - times a million.

I agree. I don't know that the number is 65% because we need to remember that Trump's base, those who will NEVER stop supporting him, is the 25-35% of the people (?) in this country who are racists, misogynists, homophobes, xenophobes. So, I am thinking that the number is probably not as high as 65%. HOWEVER, based on the top of the page picture, showing polls, he is well under water at this point and if the election were tomorrow, I'd feel pretty confident that I could go to bed and sleep soundly by 2200 hours CDT.

And Russian hacking the orange maggot could still win re-election.

And if he starts a war because of his not listening to intelligence agencies we are screwed.

is that there is no singular democratic nominee.

When there is the numbers will change because, LIBERAL!

The base will say, "so what if he is Russian stooge, anything is better than ____.

They will throw shit at the wall relentlessly slandering him or her and the media will do what it does - try to level the playing field for republicans and legitimize it.

Al Gore, the decent, intelligent, capable, proven public servant was a lying, arrogant elitist. The hapless son of priviledge was "the guy would like to have a beer with!"

John Kerry, who was injured in actual battle was weak, and "swiftboated," the petulant of privilege who avoided service through the air national guard was TOUGH AND RESOLUTE!

The country spent over a month debating over how horrible it was that BHO did not wear a flag lapel pin. Seriously.

Hillary, nuff said.

Not saying 45 will win, just saying things will get real once our nominee is set.

But if the democratic process actually worked in 2016, we wouldn’t have Trump, and the Republican Party is showing zero interest in fixing it. So I’ll be holding my breath until it gets resolved.

1). We've heard all of the rhetoric about "his filters are gone," and that's true...Kelly, etc...and now he's down to Jared, Ivanka, Miller, and that sniveling little Waylon Smithers sycophant Mick Mulvaney. It's true...he's now doing what he wants, when he wants. He's done that all along, but every once in a while there was an outside chance that he'd listen to someone. Now he's just listening to Fox, Coulter, Limbaugh and himself.

2). I posted this earlier today: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211757111 . Nancy is right, the Republicans will not simply be able to ride this out for the next two years.

3). He will never quit unless Mueller has him red-handed.

4). I don't believe for a second that the Republican Senate has the spine to follow through on impeachment.

5). I believe the ONLY WAY to get him out is through the ballot. That's why our candidate is so critical. 100% of the people here WILL NOT get their first choice. So it's on us to get 100% behind whoever that final candidate is, and to fight against any "spoilers" like Mr. Coffee.

We have to win the presidency, the Senate and as many states as we can. Trump is a symptom, republicans are the disease.

The Supreme Court, the census, voting rights, healthcare, income inequality, GOP working for Russia, the growing oligarchy, climate change. We need a huge win in 2020.