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Justin Fairfax live presser having to defend himself against the internet accuser. (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 OP
He says the story was looked into by WAPO a year ago and there was no corroboration Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #1
'Big League Politics' doesn't do corroboration Brother Buzz Feb 2019 #8
Rise of Naziism in this country PCIntern Feb 2019 #2
Here trying to hear Fairfax speak to press: DPVA staff, Kirk Cox press secretary, Dels. Joe Lindsey, mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2019 #3
It was Big League Politics who is behind the picture of Northam and the sexual allegations against Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #4
Every time we throw someone overboard to save ourselves, the sharks come back for more. Hekate Feb 2019 #5
+1, we should have better graduated penalties for misconduct uponit7771 Feb 2019 #6
+1 2naSalit Feb 2019 #7
That appears to be all too true . . . peggysue2 Feb 2019 #9
Maybe we should stop electing people who are vulnerable to these attacks. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #11
Everybody is vulnerable to an attack Loki Liesmith Feb 2019 #12
The GOP will find something ...and perhaps we should not join in their attempts to destroy our Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #14
Okay atreides1 Feb 2019 #20
I can think of an entire demographic that's got a better track record when it comes to racist WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #22
Yeah well the Black Lt. Governor is being accuse of sexual assault...story leaked by Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #30
I was thinking of black women, but people get mad about identity politics, so.... WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #31
Really? This is ratfucking we are talking about. I could write that script from both sides myself... Hekate Feb 2019 #38
+10000 Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #39
"Have their backs when the inevitable smears are peddled." WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #42
You can stop banging that drum on me. I am capable of holding more than one thought at a time... Hekate Feb 2019 #48
Nice. But one problem: Northam isn't the victim of a smear. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #45
Would appreciate it if you of all people would understand what I am driving at regarding patterns... Hekate Feb 2019 #52
Maybe Jesus Christ should run for office then Mr. Quackers Feb 2019 #21
People fuck shit up, sure. But as we see with Northam, how one reacts to it says even more WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #23
The ratfuckers set Northam up. It is a 35 year old picture. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #27
and then he considered doing the Moon Walk for humor in a presser about black face Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #37
Agree, and then there is the thought that the candidate can hide such shit. Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #34
You mean like senator and SoS John Kerry, genuine war hero and genuine anti-war hero? Hekate Feb 2019 #32
Oh. Well, in that case, yeah, better to not hold anyone responsible for racist costumes or WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #35
I have said otherwise repeatedly. Do NOT put words in my mouth. Hekate Feb 2019 #40
You're comparing the GOP twisting Kerry's stellar war record and their publishing a photo of Northam EffieBlack Feb 2019 #46
I am talking about PATTERNS. And the PATTERNS are all about Nixonian ratfucking. Hekate Feb 2019 #53
Only saints and no sinners. You are unfortunately dealing with humans. democratisphere Feb 2019 #51
Yes. Thank you! GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #13
+1 Bettie Feb 2019 #19
+1 Maven Feb 2019 #25
Thank You!! Alliepoo Feb 2019 #29
It's "Big League Politics" - by ex-Breitbart staffers who think Breitbart is "too mainstream" UTUSN Feb 2019 #10
This surely puts all the Dems who called for Northam to DeminPennswoods Feb 2019 #15
Maybe we should do our own fact-checking and not take extreme RW groups word for it Hekate Feb 2019 #17
Except that it is a real photo in the yearbook and he really did wear blackface pnwmom Feb 2019 #49
The original allegations were made in 2018. octoberlib Feb 2019 #16
Thank You for that, octoberlib. First I'm hearing Cha Feb 2019 #18
No witnesses and no one she'd ever told before the Post. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #50
The Republican's don't care unless they think the incident will cost them elections. Democrat's jalan48 Feb 2019 #24
There was MUCH more substantial and solid evidence against Kavanaugh Tom Rinaldo Feb 2019 #26
Really consider what happened to Franken...there will be other trumped up accusations ...count on Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #28
Exactly EffieBlack Feb 2019 #33
Wait for anonymous accusers to come forward...i could write this playbook. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #41
I'm sure you could. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #47
If Northam stays, the next Virginia Governor won't be a Democrat octoberlib Feb 2019 #54
No Democrat should resign or be forced to resign their position unless dalton99a Feb 2019 #36
works for me. And they go after those Democrats who are getting things done. Northam has done a Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #43
Northam should not resign. Iliyah Feb 2019 #44

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
1. He says the story was looked into by WAPO a year ago and there was no corroboration
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 02:33 PM
Feb 2019

WAPO dropped it.

And now it's back.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,488 posts)
3. Here trying to hear Fairfax speak to press: DPVA staff, Kirk Cox press secretary, Dels. Joe Lindsey,
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 02:38 PM
Feb 2019
Here trying to hear Fairfax speak to press: DPVA staff, Kirk Cox press secretary, Dels. Joe Lindsey, Jennifer Carroll Foy, Cliff Hayes.


Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
4. It was Big League Politics who is behind the picture of Northam and the sexual allegations against
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 02:45 PM
Feb 2019

Fairfax. I could not get on the site...I have heard it is a Breitbart operation.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
5. Every time we throw someone overboard to save ourselves, the sharks come back for more.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 02:46 PM
Feb 2019

And no, for the hundredth time, I am not condoning racism.

I AM saying that the people on this board and the Party in general fail to recognize the pattern of the attacks, and until we do the fascists will keep on winning and we will keep eating our own and throwing the remains overboard for the sharks.

How many of us wise DUers could stand that kind of RW scrutiny?


peggysue2

(10,830 posts)
9. That appears to be all too true . . .
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 02:56 PM
Feb 2019

in this case. We're experiencing a moment of information warfare, up close and personal. Color me very suspicious on this Fairfax attack.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
14. The GOP will find something ...and perhaps we should not join in their attempts to destroy our
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:04 PM
Feb 2019

people. An accusation is not a fact and no one should be ruined because of one.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,356 posts)
22. I can think of an entire demographic that's got a better track record when it comes to racist
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:39 PM
Feb 2019

incidents than white men.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
30. Yeah well the Black Lt. Governor is being accuse of sexual assault...story leaked by
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:51 PM
Feb 2019

Big house publishing...so I wouldn't count on that helping us. I think both stories are BS...35 year old pic and now a convenient accusation against the man who would replace Northam.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
38. Really? This is ratfucking we are talking about. I could write that script from both sides myself...
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:04 PM
Feb 2019

Dems: Look at this noble woman who worked her way up from poverty, supported her children, went to college, and now is running for office.

Dems: We get misty-eyed at the fulfillment of the American Dream. We vote for her in a heartbeat.

GOP: Welfare Queen, fatherless home, drives a Cadillac on our dime. Who does she think she is?

GOP base: Rage at confirmation of their ugliest stereotypes about black women.

Hekate: The RW makes shit up. Stop trying to work within their rules. Encourage Democrats of every color and gender and background to run, and have their backs when the inevitable smears are peddled. Period.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,356 posts)
42. "Have their backs when the inevitable smears are peddled."
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:09 PM
Feb 2019

Admitting to a racist costume and then clearly not grasping the importance of understanding how racist images hurt POC in the ensuing press conference is not a smear. It's an embarrassment, a display of incompetence, and indicative of a total lack of judgment. Northam should resign.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
48. You can stop banging that drum on me. I am capable of holding more than one thought at a time...
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:14 PM
Feb 2019

...and I do not condone racism.

Buh-bye.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
52. Would appreciate it if you of all people would understand what I am driving at regarding patterns...
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:37 PM
Feb 2019

I respect you, Effie, and never in my 71 years have I condoned racism. Please bear that in mind.

What has infuriated me this past week is not so much that this Gov will have to resign, but that we political junkies here at DU, and Democrats in general, are so surprised each and every time and so willing to toss fellow Dems overboard without doing our own fact-checking first.

Three (3) times last week we were presented with the ruin of a Democratic politician in which the information came from some entity of the Right Wing. I'm sure it was just a coinkydink. But I would have felt a bit better about (for instance) Al Franken's demise if his fellow Senators had actually investigated it first, because last week it came out here that Roger Stone was the probable source. Isn't that special.

As for Virginia, the Lt Gov is now under attack and may also have to resign. What a coinkydink that the state government will revert to the GOP.

No, I don't condone racism, misogyny, etc. in Democrats. But I am also not going to take accusations and rumors at face value until we have done our own due diligence. Too much has come from the Right Wing.

 

Mr. Quackers

(443 posts)
21. Maybe Jesus Christ should run for office then
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:38 PM
Feb 2019

I defy you to find one person on this planet who HASN'T fucked shit up at least once. And if it's not racism, it will be some other issue.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,356 posts)
23. People fuck shit up, sure. But as we see with Northam, how one reacts to it says even more
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:40 PM
Feb 2019

than the original fuckup.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
27. The ratfuckers set Northam up. It is a 35 year old picture.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:45 PM
Feb 2019

How about redemption. Northam just enacted pro-choice law that is amazing, and if Roe goes down makes sure Virginia women have access to abortion. He expanded Medicaid. He has done good things.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
37. and then he considered doing the Moon Walk for humor in a presser about black face
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:04 PM
Feb 2019

Did the ratfuckers force Governor Coonman to say himself that it was in fact him in the photo? So was he lying then, or now?

Did the ratfuckers take the photo 35 years ago? Did they publish the yearbook? Did they hold the dance competition too?

Damn that's crafty, isn't it?


Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
34. Agree, and then there is the thought that the candidate can hide such shit.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:56 PM
Feb 2019

Admit it early and go from there. If it is out there, and you get elected, you're inoculated.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
32. You mean like senator and SoS John Kerry, genuine war hero and genuine anti-war hero?
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:53 PM
Feb 2019

By the time the GOP got done with him, his reputation was in tatters and half the country believed them and not him.

Don't you get it yet? They'll take your photos of you with your beloved first born child and spread two falsehoods: the kid is the anti-Christ and oh by the way you beat him.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,356 posts)
35. Oh. Well, in that case, yeah, better to not hold anyone responsible for racist costumes or
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:57 PM
Feb 2019

incompetent responses to the discovery of those costumes that show they still don't take racism seriously. Full speed ahead! This guy who was within a second of moonwalking in front of reporters definitely has what it takes to ride this out!

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
46. You're comparing the GOP twisting Kerry's stellar war record and their publishing a photo of Northam
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:13 PM
Feb 2019

in blackface?

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
53. I am talking about PATTERNS. And the PATTERNS are all about Nixonian ratfucking.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:45 PM
Feb 2019

I am saying (again and again and again) that as long as we take every accusation at face value and immediately throw our own overboard without confirming either the source or the facts, then we are stupidly playing the GOP's game, and losing every time.

Ratfucking has many manifestations. The Swiftboating of John Kerry was what is known as an example of one of them, not an equivalency. Ratfuckers lie, but they also tell the truth. Wouldn't you prefer to be sure which it is?

You are better than this.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
13. Yes. Thank you!
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:03 PM
Feb 2019

The most galling part of it is that ratfuckers have been doing far worse and getting away with it. And, they'll keep doing it right in front of our very eyes, all while condemning Democrats for something they did (or allegedly did, as in Fairfax case) decades ago.

UTUSN

(70,706 posts)
10. It's "Big League Politics" - by ex-Breitbart staffers who think Breitbart is "too mainstream"
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 02:58 PM
Feb 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211770822

*********QUOTE*****

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/northam-yearbook-photo-was-unearthed-by-outlet-associated-with-white-nationalists/
Northam Yearbook Photo Was Unearthed by Outlet Associated With White Nationalists
Big League Politics was founded by ex-Breitbart staffers who thought the site was too mainstream.

Big League Politics was founded in 2017 by a group of former Breitbart Newsstaffers, who decided that the nationalist media outlet previously run by Steve Bannon had gotten too mainstream. BLP started as the media arm of a pro-Trump, “populist nationalist” political action committee, which bills itself as the “attack dogs” for the American First Agenda. The site is now owned by North Carolina political consultant Reilly O’Neal, who worked for Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate whose run was derailed by child molestation charges, and Corey Stewart, a Republican from Virginia popular with white supremacists for his support of Confederate monuments. Last year, Stewart unsuccessfully challenged Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), and the site covered his race extensively.

The man who first posted the Northam yearbook photo is BLP editor-in-chief Patrick Howley, a former reporter and provocateur for Breitbart and Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller. Howley has made news in the past, but for more (sic) ignoble reasons. In 2014, he and Carlson were forced to apologize to reporter Rosie Gray, then at BuzzFeed, after Howley tweeted a pair of gross, sexist comments about her. Breitbart also suspended Howley in 2016 after he publicly questioned whether one of his co-workers had lied when she said she’d been manhandled by Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski at a press event.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-lt-gov-fairfax-denies-sexual-assault-allegation-amid-political-storm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20foxnews%2Fpolitics%20%28Internal%20-%20Politics%20-%20Text%29
Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax denies sexual assault claim, amid political storm

The allegation was first posted by Big League Politics, the same political blog that published the now-infamous yearbook photo showing someone in blackface and someone in a KKK costume, from Northam's 1984 yearbook page. ,,,,

The blog, in the post that prompted Fairfax's denial, claimed that a fellow at Stanford University said a man sexually assaulted her at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, Mass.

“Imagine you were sexually assaulted during the DNC Convention in Boston in 2004 by a campaign staffer. You spend the next 13 years trying to forget it ever happened. Until one day you find out he’s the Democratic candidate for statewide office in a state some 3000 miles away, and he wins that election in November 2017,” a post from the reported accuser said, according to the blog. “Then, by strange, horrible luck, it seems increasingly likely that he’ll get a VERY BIG promotion.” ….

“The (Washington) Post carefully investigated the claim for several months,” Fairfax’s office said in a statement. “After being presented with facts consistent with the Lt. Governor’s denial of the allegation, the absence of any evidence corroborating the allegation, and significant red flags and inconsistencies within the allegation, the Post made the considered decision not to publish the story.” ....

*********UNQUOTE********

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
15. This surely puts all the Dems who called for Northam to
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:08 PM
Feb 2019

resign in a box doesn't it? Charges of sexual assault are a lot more serious than a stupid photo in a college yearbook.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
49. Except that it is a real photo in the yearbook and he really did wear blackface
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:27 PM
Feb 2019

to dance as Michael Jackson.

And the charges against Fairfax could not be substantiated after months of reporters digging into the story. No one said Fairfax had ever behaved like that and she'd told no one before she went to the Post.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
16. The original allegations were made in 2018.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:14 PM
Feb 2019

I know the name of the woman who made them. She's a political science professor, Stanford fellow and HuffPo contributor.

The Post wouldn't print the allegations at the time because the incident occurred in a hotel room at the 2004 DNC in Boston and there were no corroborating witnesses. The Post also dug into Fairfax's past to see if any similar allegations had been made. There were none.

Fairfax and the woman told different versions of what happened in the hotel room with no one else present. The Washington Post could not find anyone who could corroborate either version. The Post did not find “significant red flags and inconsistencies within the allegations,” as the Fairfax statement incorrectly said.

The Washington Post, in phone calls to people who knew Fairfax from college, law school and through political circles, found no similar complaints of sexual misconduct against him. Without that, or the ability to corroborate the woman’s account — in part because she had not told anyone what happened — The Washington Post did not run a story.

She said she never told anyone about what happened at the time or in the years that followed until shortly before she approached The Post.The Post reached out to the woman again Monday and she has not returned messages. The Post generally does not name alleged victims of sexual assault without their explicit permission.

One person who knew both the woman and Fairfax and spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the nature of the allegations, said he felt torn when he first heard the accusations. He spoke highly of both.“It doesn’t sound like anything he would do,” he said. “It doesn’t sound like anything she would lie about.”



https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/va-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-denies-sex-assault-allegation-from-2004/2019/02/04/05fb0f6c-272b-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html?utm_term=.784ec7a2c788

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
24. The Republican's don't care unless they think the incident will cost them elections. Democrat's
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:41 PM
Feb 2019

care because it's doing the right thing. It's called unilateral disarmament.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
26. There was MUCH more substantial and solid evidence against Kavanaugh
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:43 PM
Feb 2019

...which Republicans felt was insufficient reason to deny him a life time appointment to the Supreme Court.

Northam left a smoking gun in his past. I don't see that here.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
28. Really consider what happened to Franken...there will be other trumped up accusations ...count on
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:48 PM
Feb 2019

it. A 35 year old accusation ...a pic in a college yearbook ....should not force Northam to resign and give the GOP an opportunity to redo the election. That is what this is about.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
33. Exactly
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:56 PM
Feb 2019

Kavanaugh's accuser had substantial contemporaneous corroboration. There were also witnesses who stated they saw him engage in similar behavior in other circumstances.

At this point, all we have is a literal he-said, she-said, with no witnesses and no corroborating evidence at all. There could be more that comes out, and if there is, we could be talking about a serious allegation. But at this point, there's nothing except an unsupported allegation with very odd timing under some very suspicious circumstances.

Northam's pictures and babbling lies and backtracking are in a category all to themselves and even if we were to believe his OWN account (or should I say "accounts" since his story keeps changing) he needs to go.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
54. If Northam stays, the next Virginia Governor won't be a Democrat
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 05:01 PM
Feb 2019

And they won't gain control of the General Assembly. That's my prediction, anyway.

dalton99a

(81,515 posts)
36. No Democrat should resign or be forced to resign their position unless
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:01 PM
Feb 2019

and until convicted of a crime

Use the GOP standard.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
43. works for me. And they go after those Democrats who are getting things done. Northam has done a
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:11 PM
Feb 2019

good job. The Democrats are poised to overturn the legislature for the first time in 40 plus years. The Republicans have been trying to force Attorney General Herring out too...saying he needs to resign if he plans to run for governor next election. This is a ratfucking coup ...an attempt to replace a Democratic governor with one of their own.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
44. Northam should not resign.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:11 PM
Feb 2019

Made a mistake, who has not. He seems to be a different person now. I would say the same if he were belonged to another party.

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