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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJustin Fairfax live presser having to defend himself against the internet accuser.
I think we need to bring MASSIVE resources to bear on getting to the bottom of this hit job.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)WAPO dropped it.
And now it's back.
Brother Buzz
(36,444 posts)Mission accomplished
PCIntern
(25,556 posts)My God. Whats next?
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,488 posts)Here trying to hear Fairfax speak to press: DPVA staff, Kirk Cox press secretary, Dels. Joe Lindsey, Jennifer Carroll Foy, Cliff Hayes.
Link to tweet
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Fairfax. I could not get on the site...I have heard it is a Breitbart operation.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)And no, for the hundredth time, I am not condoning racism.
I AM saying that the people on this board and the Party in general fail to recognize the pattern of the attacks, and until we do the fascists will keep on winning and we will keep eating our own and throwing the remains overboard for the sharks.
How many of us wise DUers could stand that kind of RW scrutiny?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Thank you!
peggysue2
(10,830 posts)in this case. We're experiencing a moment of information warfare, up close and personal. Color me very suspicious on this Fairfax attack.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)If people believe the attack.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)people. An accusation is not a fact and no one should be ruined because of one.
atreides1
(16,079 posts)And where do we find these paragons of perfection and purity, to run for office?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)incidents than white men.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Big house publishing...so I wouldn't count on that helping us. I think both stories are BS...35 year old pic and now a convenient accusation against the man who would replace Northam.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)Dems: Look at this noble woman who worked her way up from poverty, supported her children, went to college, and now is running for office.
Dems: We get misty-eyed at the fulfillment of the American Dream. We vote for her in a heartbeat.
GOP: Welfare Queen, fatherless home, drives a Cadillac on our dime. Who does she think she is?
GOP base: Rage at confirmation of their ugliest stereotypes about black women.
Hekate: The RW makes shit up. Stop trying to work within their rules. Encourage Democrats of every color and gender and background to run, and have their backs when the inevitable smears are peddled. Period.
Well done Hekate
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)Admitting to a racist costume and then clearly not grasping the importance of understanding how racist images hurt POC in the ensuing press conference is not a smear. It's an embarrassment, a display of incompetence, and indicative of a total lack of judgment. Northam should resign.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)...and I do not condone racism.
Buh-bye.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)I respect you, Effie, and never in my 71 years have I condoned racism. Please bear that in mind.
What has infuriated me this past week is not so much that this Gov will have to resign, but that we political junkies here at DU, and Democrats in general, are so surprised each and every time and so willing to toss fellow Dems overboard without doing our own fact-checking first.
Three (3) times last week we were presented with the ruin of a Democratic politician in which the information came from some entity of the Right Wing. I'm sure it was just a coinkydink. But I would have felt a bit better about (for instance) Al Franken's demise if his fellow Senators had actually investigated it first, because last week it came out here that Roger Stone was the probable source. Isn't that special.
As for Virginia, the Lt Gov is now under attack and may also have to resign. What a coinkydink that the state government will revert to the GOP.
No, I don't condone racism, misogyny, etc. in Democrats. But I am also not going to take accusations and rumors at face value until we have done our own due diligence. Too much has come from the Right Wing.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)I defy you to find one person on this planet who HASN'T fucked shit up at least once. And if it's not racism, it will be some other issue.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)than the original fuckup.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)How about redemption. Northam just enacted pro-choice law that is amazing, and if Roe goes down makes sure Virginia women have access to abortion. He expanded Medicaid. He has done good things.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)Did the ratfuckers force Governor Coonman to say himself that it was in fact him in the photo? So was he lying then, or now?
Did the ratfuckers take the photo 35 years ago? Did they publish the yearbook? Did they hold the dance competition too?
Damn that's crafty, isn't it?
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)Admit it early and go from there. If it is out there, and you get elected, you're inoculated.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)By the time the GOP got done with him, his reputation was in tatters and half the country believed them and not him.
Don't you get it yet? They'll take your photos of you with your beloved first born child and spread two falsehoods: the kid is the anti-Christ and oh by the way you beat him.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)incompetent responses to the discovery of those costumes that show they still don't take racism seriously. Full speed ahead! This guy who was within a second of moonwalking in front of reporters definitely has what it takes to ride this out!
Hekate
(90,714 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)in blackface?
Hekate
(90,714 posts)I am saying (again and again and again) that as long as we take every accusation at face value and immediately throw our own overboard without confirming either the source or the facts, then we are stupidly playing the GOP's game, and losing every time.
Ratfucking has many manifestations. The Swiftboating of John Kerry was what is known as an example of one of them, not an equivalency. Ratfuckers lie, but they also tell the truth. Wouldn't you prefer to be sure which it is?
You are better than this.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)I wish you luck.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)The most galling part of it is that ratfuckers have been doing far worse and getting away with it. And, they'll keep doing it right in front of our very eyes, all while condemning Democrats for something they did (or allegedly did, as in Fairfax case) decades ago.
Thank you.
Alliepoo
(2,221 posts)Exactly what you said!
UTUSN
(70,706 posts)*********QUOTE*****
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/northam-yearbook-photo-was-unearthed-by-outlet-associated-with-white-nationalists/
Big League Politics was founded by ex-Breitbart staffers who thought the site was too mainstream.
Big League Politics was founded in 2017 by a group of former Breitbart Newsstaffers, who decided that the nationalist media outlet previously run by Steve Bannon had gotten too mainstream. BLP started as the media arm of a pro-Trump, populist nationalist political action committee, which bills itself as the attack dogs for the American First Agenda. The site is now owned by North Carolina political consultant Reilly ONeal, who worked for Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate whose run was derailed by child molestation charges, and Corey Stewart, a Republican from Virginia popular with white supremacists for his support of Confederate monuments. Last year, Stewart unsuccessfully challenged Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), and the site covered his race extensively.
The man who first posted the Northam yearbook photo is BLP editor-in-chief Patrick Howley, a former reporter and provocateur for Breitbart and Tucker Carlsons Daily Caller. Howley has made news in the past, but for more (sic) ignoble reasons. In 2014, he and Carlson were forced to apologize to reporter Rosie Gray, then at BuzzFeed, after Howley tweeted a pair of gross, sexist comments about her. Breitbart also suspended Howley in 2016 after he publicly questioned whether one of his co-workers had lied when she said shed been manhandled by Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski at a press event.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-lt-gov-fairfax-denies-sexual-assault-allegation-amid-political-storm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20foxnews%2Fpolitics%20%28Internal%20-%20Politics%20-%20Text%29
The allegation was first posted by Big League Politics, the same political blog that published the now-infamous yearbook photo showing someone in blackface and someone in a KKK costume, from Northam's 1984 yearbook page. ,,,,
The blog, in the post that prompted Fairfax's denial, claimed that a fellow at Stanford University said a man sexually assaulted her at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, Mass.
Imagine you were sexually assaulted during the DNC Convention in Boston in 2004 by a campaign staffer. You spend the next 13 years trying to forget it ever happened. Until one day you find out hes the Democratic candidate for statewide office in a state some 3000 miles away, and he wins that election in November 2017, a post from the reported accuser said, according to the blog. Then, by strange, horrible luck, it seems increasingly likely that hell get a VERY BIG promotion. .
The (Washington) Post carefully investigated the claim for several months, Fairfaxs office said in a statement. After being presented with facts consistent with the Lt. Governors denial of the allegation, the absence of any evidence corroborating the allegation, and significant red flags and inconsistencies within the allegation, the Post made the considered decision not to publish the story. ....
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DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)resign in a box doesn't it? Charges of sexual assault are a lot more serious than a stupid photo in a college yearbook.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)How about that?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)to dance as Michael Jackson.
And the charges against Fairfax could not be substantiated after months of reporters digging into the story. No one said Fairfax had ever behaved like that and she'd told no one before she went to the Post.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)I know the name of the woman who made them. She's a political science professor, Stanford fellow and HuffPo contributor.
The Post wouldn't print the allegations at the time because the incident occurred in a hotel room at the 2004 DNC in Boston and there were no corroborating witnesses. The Post also dug into Fairfax's past to see if any similar allegations had been made. There were none.
The Washington Post, in phone calls to people who knew Fairfax from college, law school and through political circles, found no similar complaints of sexual misconduct against him. Without that, or the ability to corroborate the womans account in part because she had not told anyone what happened The Washington Post did not run a story.
She said she never told anyone about what happened at the time or in the years that followed until shortly before she approached The Post.The Post reached out to the woman again Monday and she has not returned messages. The Post generally does not name alleged victims of sexual assault without their explicit permission.
One person who knew both the woman and Fairfax and spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the nature of the allegations, said he felt torn when he first heard the accusations. He spoke highly of both.It doesnt sound like anything he would do, he said. It doesnt sound like anything she would lie about.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/va-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-denies-sex-assault-allegation-from-2004/2019/02/04/05fb0f6c-272b-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html?utm_term=.784ec7a2c788
Cha
(297,295 posts)this now.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)jalan48
(13,870 posts)care because it's doing the right thing. It's called unilateral disarmament.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)...which Republicans felt was insufficient reason to deny him a life time appointment to the Supreme Court.
Northam left a smoking gun in his past. I don't see that here.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)it. A 35 year old accusation ...a pic in a college yearbook ....should not force Northam to resign and give the GOP an opportunity to redo the election. That is what this is about.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Kavanaugh's accuser had substantial contemporaneous corroboration. There were also witnesses who stated they saw him engage in similar behavior in other circumstances.
At this point, all we have is a literal he-said, she-said, with no witnesses and no corroborating evidence at all. There could be more that comes out, and if there is, we could be talking about a serious allegation. But at this point, there's nothing except an unsupported allegation with very odd timing under some very suspicious circumstances.
Northam's pictures and babbling lies and backtracking are in a category all to themselves and even if we were to believe his OWN account (or should I say "accounts" since his story keeps changing) he needs to go.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)And they won't gain control of the General Assembly. That's my prediction, anyway.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)and until convicted of a crime
Use the GOP standard.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)good job. The Democrats are poised to overturn the legislature for the first time in 40 plus years. The Republicans have been trying to force Attorney General Herring out too...saying he needs to resign if he plans to run for governor next election. This is a ratfucking coup ...an attempt to replace a Democratic governor with one of their own.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Made a mistake, who has not. He seems to be a different person now. I would say the same if he were belonged to another party.