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TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:39 PM Feb 2019

Let's Be Clear. If The Ralph Northam Photo WAS a Conservative Ratf--k Operation...

Last edited Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:22 PM - Edit history (1)

If the Ralph Northam photo hit WAS a conservative ratf--k operation, the intent was not to get rid of Northam. It was to show that Democrats are just as hypocritical when it comes to their principles as Republicans.

If the intent of the hit job was to bring down Northam, they would have released the photo TWO DAYS BEFORE the election, not a year and two months AFTER it. If they'd done that, Virginia would have a Republican governor now.

If it was a hit job, I'm sure the main intent was to prove that Democrats are as hypocritical about their alleged principals as Republicans. Republicans claim to represent 'family values,' but they're willing to support a serial adultering sleazebag, as long as he's a Republican. They claim to represent 'law and order,' but they vilify the FBI when they're investigating a Republican.

Now, Democrats claim to oppose racism, unless it's a Democratic politician?

The Democratic Party base is at an inflection point. Either we prove we're hypocrites, and support Northam; or...move an African American governor into Virginia who will actually be eligible to serve for nearly eight years. (He can serve the remainder of Northam's term, as well as one of his own.)

The course of action seems pretty clear to me. If anybody feels bad for Northam, give him a gold watch. And then a cabinet position in the next Democratic President's administration.

Just my two cents on the scuttlebutt that this was carefully planned GOP hit job. If it is, it's a recent idea.
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Let's Be Clear. If The Ralph Northam Photo WAS a Conservative Ratf--k Operation... (Original Post) TrollBuster9090 Feb 2019 OP
"they would have released the photo TWO DAYS BEFORE the election, not two months AFTER it." mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2019 #1
Thanks! (Corrected) nt TrollBuster9090 Feb 2019 #8
Oh, you hadn't heard? Now they're going after Fairfax. Maven Feb 2019 #2
Yeah, but wryter2000 Feb 2019 #5
Yep. He needs to go. He said it was him in the photo. manor321 Feb 2019 #3
You'd think it wouldn't be difficult, wouldn't you? wryter2000 Feb 2019 #7
Where does it end though? Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2019 #4
Because Republicans are racist wryter2000 Feb 2019 #6
I question Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2019 #10
Not harmful? wryter2000 Feb 2019 #12
Wow, realpolitik in action. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #13
That's likely ture. But it's Northam's response that got him in hot water Johonny Feb 2019 #9
They both hurt, but I agree, the response was pretty bad. TrollBuster9090 Feb 2019 #11
Nope. Dems oppose racism, period. & dirty tricks ain't new to Repukes. And UTUSN Feb 2019 #14

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
1. "they would have released the photo TWO DAYS BEFORE the election, not two months AFTER it."
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:42 PM
Feb 2019

It's a year and two months. Virginia's gubernatorial elections occur one year after federal elections are held. Northam was elected governor in November 2017. He was inaugurated in January 2018. He and Justin Fairfax have been in officer a little over a year.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
2. Oh, you hadn't heard? Now they're going after Fairfax.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:42 PM
Feb 2019

You didn't really think they'd take down one without going after the other, did you?

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
5. Yeah, but
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:15 PM
Feb 2019

To take down Fairfax, they'll have to find something real against him.

If the yearbook photo had been faked, we'd be looking at a different situation today.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
3. Yep. He needs to go. He said it was him in the photo.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:45 PM
Feb 2019

Any Dem, when shown a blackface photo, says "yeah that's me" needs to go.

This isn't difficult.

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
7. You'd think it wouldn't be difficult, wouldn't you?
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:17 PM
Feb 2019

Until you read posts on a site that supports Democrats.

I need to get back to work and off the internet before this place drives my blood pressure through the roof.


Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
4. Where does it end though?
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:49 PM
Feb 2019

The only demonstrably racist thing that we've heard so far about Northam is some awful photos taken 34 years ago and put in a yearbook. Bad? Yes. But how does that stack up to the racist attitudes and behaviors among Republicans going back 50+ years and ongoing? As progressive as we are as a party, there are undeniably bad apples among us, but we have a considerably stronger record on race overall than the Republican Party and should not have to treat every past bad behavior as proportionate to the past and current Republican record on race.

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
6. Because Republicans are racist
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:16 PM
Feb 2019

We're supposed to tolerate racism in Democrats?

I really will vote third party then.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
10. I question
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:25 PM
Feb 2019

whether we should go back 34 years to find examples of racist behavior by a politician and then make him resign over it- just to be able to say that we have "clean hands". Had it been a more recent thing, yeah, I can see that. But I still don't see the value of throwing somebody out of office NOW over something he did 34 years ago that was spectacularly dumb/racist, but not necessarily harmful.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
13. Wow, realpolitik in action.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:31 PM
Feb 2019

SO we basically tell Black Americans, who have been the most solid Democratic Party support in the last several decades, "Hey you know we are cool on the racial thing, but really, we think that keeping this former Republican who admitted to dressing in blackface in office because, Republicans are more racist. Your cool with that right?" That is what you want to tell Black voters?

To answer the question on your post. It never ends. Self reflection and self improvement is a constant and ongoing thing. We of course do not want to kick people out of the party and out of office for jaywalking, or unpaid parking tickets, but that is not what we are talking about.

As I said on other posts. Northam maybe could have salvaged his situation by accepting responsibility, talking about the horror of his action and how he has grown as a person since then. He could have reached out and really sat down with Black leaders in the state and have shown them that he is a true ally who did a horrible thing 34 years ago, like Robert Byrd, and then have a plan for how to gain back the trust he through away. He could have done that, but instead he admitted he did racial things, but not really the racial thing that was reported, so never mind, no harm done, just let me keep governoring... move along, nothing to see here.

We do not ever want to become cynical like the Republicans. This isn't Dexter, you don't let a serial killer out to catch other serial killers.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
9. That's likely ture. But it's Northam's response that got him in hot water
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:22 PM
Feb 2019

Not the actual photo. He handled it like *.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
11. They both hurt, but I agree, the response was pretty bad.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:26 PM
Feb 2019

"Sorry about the black face photo. Wait, that's not me. Oh wait...THAT blackface photo isn't me, but there are probably DIFFERENT ones out there..." Sheesh. Here we go with the infamous 'rolling disclosure' again.

UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
14. Nope. Dems oppose racism, period. & dirty tricks ain't new to Repukes. And
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:38 PM
Feb 2019

how does it make sense to ditch somebody from one job and insert him in a future Dem cabinet?!1

If he's guilty of racism or lying, bye period. If he's a victim of Repuke dirty tricks, he stays, period.





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