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Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:53 PM Feb 2019

Ratfucking vs Facts vs Political Hysteria

Let's consider two cases: Franken and Northam.

The Franken allegations were quickly shown to be ratfucking, even as a live person was the original declarant, and quickly found to be a right wing provocateur. The later allegations were mostly weak or clearly groundless. The photographic evidence showed what was clearly a joke, not a breast groping as alleged. Contemporaneous accounts from others demonstrate an ongoing pattern of joking between the parties. Then there was the MeToo climate that prevailed at the time. The right wing ratfuckers timed the allegations perfectly.

This was a case where the calls for Franken's resignation came loud and swift from our side. They were, in my view, premature. Franken's self defense was clear but muted, even as they were sane and reasoned. I believe this was a rush to judgement, and quite likely a political calculation on the part of those calling for his resignation. And dumb on our part.

The Northam accusations are a whole other matter. Yes, the initial allegations were from a right wing source bent on fucking Democrats, but the "Coonman" thing and the blackface/KKK images are there. Northam made things worse by his initial admission, then denial, then identifying another blackface event. All that leaves us in political limbo. Did he or didn't he and if he didn't, he sure makes it hard to believe he didn't. So he either did a racist thing or he is a political idiot. In either case, he is hurting Democrats in Virginia and across the country. We are now at a point where facts do NOT matter. He needs to go.

As a follow-on are the new accusations by the same source that Justin Fairfax is a sexual abuser. No corroboration. No evidence. WaPo looked at this a year ago and dismissed it. I think we should, too.

The hard part is making decisions about these things fast. The news moves at light speed. The RW is even faster to throw shit at us. We need to make decisions - fast - and stand by them.

Longer term, we need to oppo our own candidates and make harsh examples of those who are shown to be hiding things or lying. The DNC needs to have a hand in this.

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Ratfucking vs Facts vs Political Hysteria (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 OP
franken chose to resign without an investigation to establish the facts of the matter nt msongs Feb 2019 #1
would you be comfortable with jodymarie aimee Feb 2019 #4
Meanwhile Chris Collins and Duncan Hunter are in Congress, and nothing has happened to Steve King dalton99a Feb 2019 #2
I can't believe Northam hasn't resigned yet. He's a goddamned idiot. manor321 Feb 2019 #3
I think you have a real and important point about . . . peggysue2 Feb 2019 #5
We're going to have to train our candidates to come clean and train our incumbents that to lie . . . Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #9
This is still an allegation of a behavior that might be repulsive but is not illegal, unlike groping denverbill Feb 2019 #6
I agree about Franken. He should not have resigned. Northam, on the other hand cooked . . . . Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #7
Tweeden was but Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #8
Thanks for your comment in this thread Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #11
You're welcome Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #13
I see you sport a Union avatar. What union are you in? Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #14
Don't change the subject please Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #15
I owe you nothing. Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #16
You made an allegation Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #17
We are done. Bye-bye Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #18
I guess that is a no Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #19
Was Leeann Tweeden used in a ratfucking campaign? Probably. What about the 7 other women? apnu Feb 2019 #10
Thanks for your comment in this thread Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #12
 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
4. would you be comfortable with
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:08 PM
Feb 2019

colleagues who stabbed you in the back? When I quit a job once in the 1970s I could not bear to even drive by the bldg for years. Bad juju...

dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
2. Meanwhile Chris Collins and Duncan Hunter are in Congress, and nothing has happened to Steve King
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:57 PM
Feb 2019

And oh, Gym Jordan

peggysue2

(10,832 posts)
5. I think you have a real and important point about . . .
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:28 PM
Feb 2019

the speed at which these 'reveals' turn over. We've barely caught our breath with the Northam revelation when the accusations against Justin Fairfax hit the headlines. I think it's pretty clear this is a purposeful rollout to enhance the chaos. The same was true for the Franken accusations--a very swift rollout and a rush to judgment by Party leadership to cleanse any political liability.

The hard part is making decisions/judgments about these issues in a blink of an eye, particularly when it comes to accusations of racism or sexual misconduct. We have knee-jerk/emotional reactions too frequently before the evidence is really looked at carefully.

In Northam's case, he damned himself by not addressing why/how those photos were on his page, then switching his story and finally holding an appalling presser. And sorry, the nickname 'Coonman' was a double whammy. Fairfax, I think, was wise to jump right on these recent allegations and swat them down. With Franken? He was out the door before anyone really investigated the veracity of the accusations against him. We were simply told they were 'credible.' Really?

There is an emerging pattern here. Forewarned is forearmed.

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
9. We're going to have to train our candidates to come clean and train our incumbents that to lie . . .
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 05:19 PM
Feb 2019

. . . . is to die, politically.

The DNC - not candidates or local party apparatchiks - needs to create, populate, empower, and FUND a rapid response squad to fight this shit the very moment it starts.

That includes swift action against any of our own who lie. Zero tolerance. We are in a war and we are losing.

We also need to look around at our "friends" - wherever we find them, MAYBE even here in DU - who are in on the ratfucking.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
6. This is still an allegation of a behavior that might be repulsive but is not illegal, unlike groping
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:40 PM
Feb 2019

Franken should never have resigned and I'm still almost as hurt by his resignation as Wellstone's death. Meanwhile, Arnold Schwarzenegger admitted to groping one or more female actresses during his movie career and dismissed them as just being part of 'a rowdy movie set' or something similar.

We know almost nothing about Northam's case yet. Virtually every characterization of the KKK I've seen in the last 50 years has ridiculed them. Even assuming it was Northam, we don't know if this was in a skit ridiculing the KKK. We've gotten no confirmation from any classmates as of yet who recalled this incident. I would assume most yearbooks would not publish offensive photos, so I would tend to think whatever it was wasn't deemed offensive enough to ban from the yearbook.

This whole thing stinks to me of ratfucking too. It would be a shame to railroad someone for a non-crime they might have committed 30 years ago, and end up with a Republican governor who would almost certainly try to disenfranchise black voters.

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
7. I agree about Franken. He should not have resigned. Northam, on the other hand cooked . . . .
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 05:16 PM
Feb 2019

. . . . . his own goose by his idiotic statements, contradictions and just plan weak statements.

Edit to add the word "not" in the comment title

apnu

(8,758 posts)
10. Was Leeann Tweeden used in a ratfucking campaign? Probably. What about the 7 other women?
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 05:21 PM
Feb 2019

Sen. Al Franken's accusers and their allegations against him: https://abcnews.go.com/US/sen-al-frankens-accusers-accusations-made/story?id=51406862

1. Leeann Tweeden
2. Lindsay Menz
3. Anonymous Accuser No. 1
4. Anonymous Accuser No. 2
5. Stephanie Kemplin
6. Anonymous Accuser No. 3, an elected official
7. Anonymous Accuser No. 4, a former congressional aide
8. Tina Dupuy

Of them, only Leeann Tweeden has a known ulterior motive and contacts with Republican dirty tricks players that I am aware of.

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