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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:54 PM Feb 2019

Ralph Northam and the History of Blackface


What do you mean by that?

There are various types of blackface characters one could adopt. I gather there is a Michael Jackson outfit lurking somewhere in his closet, but that is not what this is. Although it’s not far from it. There is a bow tie. There is a jacket. It’s kind of dandyish, speaking of one of the prototypes from the minstrel show, the Zip Coon figure. I think it is very interesting that this is a very particular kind of costume. But paired with the Klan outfit, as though they belong together. Lest there be any murkiness about it, it is just two versions of white supremacy, one in blackface and one not. But there is some kind of gesture that would seem to remove the twenty-five-year-olds doing it from the history they are impersonating, in which a black person summons forth that person’s white-supremacist counterpart or policer or enforcer. I sense in the costume an avowal that they are part of this history, but also an attempt to lampoon it, as though it is not them, it’s these figures not of their time, or something like that.

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Is there anything you would like to hear Northam say that you think would be helpful for people trying to understand this?

I think he has already said it, with the masks. I don’t think there is anything he could say that would be more eloquent than what he did say with the mask, which was a kind of speech about his racial feeling, his self-sense of his whiteness, his sense of his relation to the color line between black and white. And any attempt to read his own act of racialized speech would fall short of what he has already said. In terms of his own analysis, I am not expecting much.


https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-new-yorker-interview/ralph-northam-and-the-history-of-blackface
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Ralph Northam and the History of Blackface (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 OP
Recommended. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #1
When the story first broke I said the blackface character was worse. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #2
Agreed. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #9
I've been trying to remember the landscape in 1984 Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #3
But was it an official "Zip Coon" figure? mcar Feb 2019 #4
This was fascinating. I recommend the whole article at the link. yardwork Feb 2019 #5
I lived in a small town in northern New York State PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #6
Many here really REALLY need to read this. nt LexVegas Feb 2019 #7
But won't. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #8

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Recommended.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:00 PM
Feb 2019

From the article:

But the two archetypes of blackface are separated by geography and class. One is the Northern dandy, Zip Coon. The Zip Coon character is dandified, probably being lampooned for assuming airs and intellect beyond his station.


So we have a character who is lampooning a person that he clearly sees as his inferior. A foundational pillar of white racism. The idea that non-whites, however they are defined, are intrinsically inferior to the white race.

And the KKK wearing person? we all know what the KKK stands for, and stood for.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
2. When the story first broke I said the blackface character was worse.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:03 PM
Feb 2019

The Klan existed. No person of color looks like those gross caricatures.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
3. I've been trying to remember the landscape in 1984
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:53 PM
Feb 2019

After all, if multiple people were wearing blackface in that yearbook there must have been something going on in society to make them believe it wouldn't be as objectionable as the norm. It would be interesting to check 1984 yearbooks in general, or from the same region. I have to say I'm struggling to come up with anything. Normally I can recall situational influence but 1984 is sort of a blur because I was out of college and new to Las Vegas, and obviously that was a wild change. I was not following politics at all because Reagan was that incumbent whose party had been in power only one term. I understood that scenario would not fail twice consecutively.

I imagine that young right wingers were quite emboldened during 1984, and particularly once it was obvious Reagan would succeed, similar to aftermath of 2016.

I remember that Thriller was massive when I first moved to Las Vegas in spring 1984 to bet the USFL. Several late night casino lounge acts were doing tributes/spinoffs of Michael Jackson and Thriller. I sat there and watched them, but mostly to get a feel of my new town and not necessarily the content.

I tried Googling for perspective but everything is swamped with Northam stuff. One tidbit I did find is that 1984 was supposed to be "International Anti-Racism Year." But it seemed to be British based, not well known, and kind of a flop.

This was probably the most interesting link I found. PBS ran a 1984 documentary called, "Power and Prejudice in America," examining southern blacks who organized toward gaining political power. But the best quote in that article doesn't explain Ralph Northam as much as possibly describing what happened to Andrew Gillum:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1984/06/25/power-and-prejudice-racism-at-work/08c54030-a040-4434-8b1f-aed9443dd5ff/?utm_term=.de2d2ee4a69a

"By then, pollster Patrick Caddell and the late Chicago Tribune columnist Leanita McClain have talked about the racial divisiveness that figured in the election of Chicago's mayor, Harold Washington.

"Closer to the election, whites who are even not racists become nervous over the power change and end up voting for the white candidate," Caddell says.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
6. I lived in a small town in northern New York State
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:00 AM
Feb 2019

from my birth to 1962. In about 1960 the local American Legion Post put on a Minstrel Show at the local high school. It was all in good fun. Keep in mind that there was exactly one African American family in that town at the time, and I have no idea if they attended or what they might have thought.

I don't recall a lot of details of the show, but remember that it included a lot of jokes and routines that were certainly very racist. At the time I thought it was okay, but I was only about 12 or so, so what did I know? Even a few years later I found the memory of it to be quite uncomfortable.

I seem to recall that a year or so later there was discussion about doing a second minstrel show, but it never happened.

My point is, that a good two decades before this yearbook photo, at least some of us understood that this kind of thing was unacceptable.

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