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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNancy Pelosi just threw some serious shade at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's 'Green New Deal'
(CNN)Thursday is a big day for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The New York freshman Democrat, who has rapidly become one of the biggest stars in her party, will formally introduce her much-touted "Green New Deal" -- a package of legislation aimed at, among other things, addressing the threat posed by climate change.
Nancy Pelosi isn't all that impressed. Asked about the "Green New Deal" in an interview with Politico on Wednesday, Pelosi dropped this amazing bit of shade on it:
"It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive. The green dream, or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they're for it, right?"
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/politics/pelosi-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal/index.html
Autumn
(45,120 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)rgbecker
(4,834 posts)Demsrule86
(68,632 posts)both money and jobs. People agree about global change but after one job is lost that will change...it is a very soft agreement. Nancy is correct.
2naSalit
(86,746 posts)we should hear about the best several. The Green New Deal is a concept without much detail, which should be left to work out. But there are other proposals which have been buried for years. I hope that there will be a good legislation come of these proposal. We do needed to do something years ago.
2naSalit
(86,746 posts)But I recall this event and it's one of those of which I speak.
Thanks for the link!
I was in the trenches for a long time before I had to sit down.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The title at the link:
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)so I thought you were referring to it being on DU back then.
I was still working back in 2007 when this amendment event was taking place. It's all good.
PufPuf23
(8,813 posts)It is a neoliberal approach.
There have been no direct federal hires since Reagan for economic or other stimulus..
Roosevelts New Deal was mainly Keynesian and direct federal hire to get people working and money flowing through the economy to bring the country out of the Depression. Programs such as the WPA, TVA, CCC, etc. were direct federal hires that provided jobs, stimulated the economy, and built infrastructure (think Golden Gate bridge) we enjoy until today.
Up until the late 1970s under POTUS Carter there were federal economic and job providing that had direct federal hire (think CETA, NYC. etc.).
So a neoliberal approach is going to be job training programs, subsidized loans, tax considerations and the like but no direct federal hires or performance of infrastructure building. New infrastructure would be built by corporations and their subcontractors with no new federal jobs, even temporary. Direct federal hire to build infrastructure would provide jobs and in many cases would be more cost effective, not having to worry about corporate profits margin and stock price.
AOC's Green New Deal would be a mix of Keynesian and neoliberal solutions, not just neoliberal. The Keynesian stimulus is unwanted by some, partially because folks would see it in many cases is just too darn more successful and cost effective.
rgbecker
(4,834 posts)2naSalit
(86,746 posts)It's always good to have a copy of the actual document.
Charlotte Little
(658 posts)would like her freshmen to not overreach. AOC does run the risk of burning out in the spotlight if she pushes too fast too soon. I get that people like her on here and that she is a breath of fresh air. But she's also very, very green (no pun intended) and needs to be seasoned a tad.
Before anyone pounces on me, I like AOC. But I don't view her as some superstar and she has gotten her facts wrong, which doesn't bode well for her once the honeymoon phase ends.
samnsara
(17,625 posts).there are MANY new freshmen who are just as exciting and deserving of the attn. I havent seen any superstar behavior from any of them yet. They will all demonstrate their strengths...and weaknesses...and we should sit back and support all of them instead of raising one up above the others because....why? Im confused about that part.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)is that she's sucking the oxygen out of the room from every Democratic candidate for president right now. It's hard for them to get their message out as it is, with dozens of other stories swirling around as distractions.
And as long as there's a Faux Snooze, they will never let AOC's honeymoon end. They love to use her to frighten the bejesus out of the Trump base when she's right on, and to make them laugh their asses off when she misses the mark.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)and the sooner we confront these same issues with strength and savvy like AOC does, the better for us, both the party and the country.
People have been craving this strength for years. We always acquiesce. I believe the majority of Americans will enthusiastically support a leader who shows these qualities, not run from them in fear as you suggest. Dump's base, what is it 37%?, shows us that the vast majority of the electorate is capable of independent thought. Let's aim for them and let the bottom feeders do what they will.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)should spend more time being brought up by the people who are actually eligible to be the next President who will be charged with the job of doing something about them from the most powerful office in this land.
This is how Trump vanquished his enemies in the GOP nomination fight. He simply made his cruel, mindless drivel the story, and did not let up on his opponents. I mean, for crissakes, did you see it coming three or four years ago that Jeb Bush, with all his name recognition among Republicons, and all his connections, and all the money he could tap, wouldn't win a primary or caucus in a single state??!!
Is AOC even capable of saying the phrase, "No comment..." as she walks away from a reporter with a microphone? Can she find even one Twitter criticism of her, or her positions to just ignore? Or does she just think of the next nominee as some kind of placeholder until she's Constitutionally old enough to take a crack at getting the job herself?
Let Faux Snooze play her for fun and profit, the rest of the media needs to give some time to somebody who will actually end our national nightmare. I don't even mind that Bernie and Harris gave after-SOTU speeches, they're more likely to be the nominee than Stacy Abrams.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)It's her job. Boo hoo you don't like it? Tough. She's a strong woman with the overwhelming support of her district and many other quarters. She's confronting age-old issues in a straightforward, unflinching manner. Good for her ... and us!
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)but I'm asking her to take some note of the fact that her utterances get way more attention than those of whoever our eventual nominee will be in 2020.
Let somebody else who is currently qualified to be President have a moment or two in the sun.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Nancy Pelosi has the experience to know how to get things done. Obviously she appreciates the youth movement but she also knows when and how to school the newbies when needed. She has busted her hump and the media hype around AOC is annoying. I have nothing against her but she needs to slow down a bit. She needs to learn how things are done and then she needs to get to work.
at140
(6,110 posts)It will be interesting to see how Nancy handles the media star AOC.
shanny
(6,709 posts)the last election should have been a wake-up call: anti-rump is not enough
Apollyonus
(812 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 7, 2019, 07:39 PM - Edit history (1)
when, in fact, the "green new deal" has been around since the 60's and President Obama tried to enact it.
I'm glad Speaker Pelosi curbed the exuberant and effervescent enthusiasm and exposed it to the sunshine of reality.
AOC's devotees need to realize that the US government is a big ship and cannot be navigated on the wishful thinking of one person always wanting to be in the spotlight.
yes, in an hour of crisis the most important thing to do* is curb exuberant and effervescent enthusiasm so that, by dawg, we don't change anything too quickly...even though after decades of denial and inaction we are quickly running out of time.
tick tock
*if she did, in anyone's mind outside the fever swamps of the bothsiderist media
Ferrets are Cool
(21,109 posts)"exuberant and effervescent enthusiasm" of the new congress persons? I strongly disagree with that mindset.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)then Speaker Pelosi should be very familiar with it. So why is the Speaker acting like she's never heard of it, and has no idea what they're talking about?
rgbecker
(4,834 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)"Well, at least we curbed that exuberant and effervescent enthusiasm"
Apollyonus
(812 posts)I go by science.
We have to cut fossil fuel use and go to sustainable and clean sources -- that I agree on.
However, any action will require the cooperation of all the stakeholders. We will not convert all houses to solar and wind or all cars to electric overnight.
We do have about 15-20 years (by scientific studies.) I agree we are wasting time and something needs to be done but it cannot be done precipitously or we may end up hurting a lot of people in the process.
Charity begins at home and every person pro climate change should first solarize their home.
It is like I say to anti-choice people -- first adopt a child and then talk about your anti-choice views.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...named Cortez to the newly formed committee on climate change.
former9thward
(32,064 posts)https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/pelosi-names-climate-change-panel-ocasio-cortez-not-among-members-n968896
George II
(67,782 posts)https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/07/pelosi-climate-change-panel-1154847
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)some of whom are running for POTUS.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)He's another of those both siders to me like Chuck Toad. I didn't get where what she said was "shade". Later on she went on to say, "Quite frankly I haven't seen it, but I do know that it's enthusiastic, and we welcome all the enthusiasm that's out there," she said at her weekly news conference. "I'm very excited about it all, and I welcome the Green New Deal and any other proposals."
Sleeza is just trying to stir some crap and keep his name in the news. He's a narcissist like tRump to me. He says stuff just to get attention and doesn't believe what he says.
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PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)Thanks!
at140
(6,110 posts)and thrives on stirring controversial issues.
brush
(53,815 posts)green alternative energy proposals for years, which surely contain many of the "Green New Deal" initiatives.
And then of course there are green energy planks in the Dem party platform.
The Speaker is aware of all of this.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)nolabear
(41,990 posts)Nancy has made climate change a flagship issue. They posit she might be against a startover rather than being on board. And her subsequent quote welcomes AOCs introduction of her ideas.
KPN
(15,647 posts)letting the customs of her era get in the way on this one. Slighting AOC is inappropriate and unnecessary. That's my Point 1.
It strikes me based on interactions I've had and observed that today's young people are by and large unwilling to keep quiet and fall in line for the sake of getting along in a system they perceive as failing their and, without dramatic correction, future generations.
Our more senior leaders will have to adapt if they want to continue to lead. That means having thicker skin and not getting hung up on past custom or tradition. They can start by better and fully understanding where these young people are coming from. Our world will very soon be theirs, and they are urgently concerned about it's present trajectory; it's social, economic and environmental sustainability. Rightfully so in my view.
Point 2: Chris Cillizza is an arrogant pissant. He consistently let's his own self importance get in the way of objective journalism. This has become painfully obvious over recent years and is on full display in this particular article. He is in a nutshell part of the old guard and won't be easily pushed aside by newcomers.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Do you think that young leaders have any adapting to do? If so, what do you think that would entail? If not, why not?
KPN
(15,647 posts)on the political parties and our overall system. AOC has been very gracious overall. Nothing wrong with speaking up especially about what she is. So, in short No.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)KPN
(15,647 posts)had. You are making an issue out of following the cultural rules that have been in place for decades. In the last 10 years or so of my career, I saw young people come in and change our organizations culture significantly (against the preference of existing leaders) but they also adapted to quite a bit. I am not surprised by this or the reaction by those who are/have been already there. I see nothing wrong and a lot of positive in it, just like I eventually did in my workplace. On balance, the upstarts made my organization a better place overall. Did I like their attitude in the beginning? No. But the reality is they forced positive improvements that otherwise would not have happened.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)what it contained, or as Nancy said "what it is" since the Green New Deal was released on Thursday AOC and others. But IMO that in no way excuses the snarkiness of her comment on Wednesday.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)that the Green New Deal idea has been around for decades, and that President Obama tried to enact it. If that's true, then it makes zero sense that Speaker Pelosi is acting like she's never heard of it, and has no idea what it's about.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11789137
Autumn
(45,120 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)She's going to lead, and she is not going to let any member alter her agenda. I suspect Pelosi is biding her time and looking to leverage what AOC brings to the table when the time is right. She may also be waiting for the opportunity to "bring her into the fold" when Pelosi is ready, not to mention AOC.
The author seems to be trying to create a conflict where it isn't obvious to me that any exists.
KPN
(15,647 posts)is letting old school attitudes (go along to get along, pay your dues first, etc.) influence at least the response she had to this particular question. It wasnt necessary.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Interesting how often women are considered "past their era" once they get past childbearing age.
Nancy shows this to be fallacy. She's delivering the goods.
Reading any news for the past month makes that pretty obvious.
KPN
(15,647 posts)the right person for the Speaker job now in the Trump era. No arguments from me about that.
Actually, let me edit that. Shes just the best person for the job among Democrats now, in the era of GOP war on democracy, civil rights, and the working class.
George II
(67,782 posts)....Pelosi invited her to be a member of the committee, but she turned it down.
KPN
(15,647 posts)and would have left it at "inappropriate and unnecessary" for the Party leader to behave that way. As I've said many times, I really like and have always liked Nancy Pelosi -- a lot. This was one of those times when she didn't measure up to who she is and should be in my opinion. I still support her -- it was just not necessary as leader to spite AOC, Markey et al.
George II
(67,782 posts)She was asked to be on that committee and she declined. How is that "spiting"?
KPN
(15,647 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Pelosi:
It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive, she said. The green dream or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but theyre for it right?
But Ocasio-Cortez didnt seem to mind Pelosi's remarks on her flagship climate change proposal, much less calling it by the wrong name. She did not consider that to be a dismissive term. I think its a great term.
Is she wearing "rose colored glasses" too?
https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-climate-change-green-new-deal-1322754
KPN
(15,647 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Horizens
(637 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:18 PM - Edit history (1)
Nancy Pelosi's statement is 100% right on target "Green New Deal" is headline without content or substance and the idea - with the exact same goals has been discussed and written about WITH details.
WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)She runs the show; not just the majority. She's been around so long she knows where all the good legislation is buried.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Yeah reads like something a HS Jr wrote, long on wishes, short on methods.
And seeing how well high speed rail is working out and costing in Calif, can't wait to hear how much and how long it would cost/take country wide.
FakeNoose
(32,706 posts)Let's see what she actually does before we call her a "star." Maybe in a couple of years, if she passes some legislation and gets re-elected, maybe then she can be called a star. I don't have anything against her, though. I hope she does become successful.
Just sayin'
ripcord
(5,492 posts)They should have given her some details.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Unless they think they can do it without her help - or can bully her into supporting it just because they say so?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)(Or expect since it's massively redundant.)
This is a PLATFORM they're drawing attention to in order to use it build a separate following, like Sanders' "revolution." The issues are all things people are getting anxious about -- how to support themselves in the future, income inequality, healthcare, climate extremes, and so on.
They're hoping to draw the kind of people who'd buy the notion that declining to create a huge project under Ocasio's leadership proves that a corrupt Democratic "establishment" is refusing real action on these issues.
Last time I looked, Brand New Congress, (as in purge everyone Democrats had already elected) and Justice Democrats had no experts on climate change, sustainable energy, environmental protection and restoration, sustainable agriculture, fresh water management, etc., etc., etc. The men running these Siamese twin organizations are mostly IT-oriented, radical political activists and campaign/propaganda operatives.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)not everyday is so gorgeous.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)I live in Hawaii!
We've had our days
How's the weather in Connecticut, George?
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)it's cold and drizzly back in the day. Brrrr!
My niece now lives in Fairfield, Connecticut.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)long ago. Maybe just hate you a bit for sitting out in a paradise of fragrant flowers and luscious green foliage while I... Actually I'm in Florida, but the floor of this ancient mobile home was not made, nor were my feet, for a polar vortex to be sweeping through underneath.
Cha
(297,503 posts)the Ice winters I'm missing when I lived at the base of the Adirondacks, too.
I really really appreciate the relatively warmth of winters here. I sprained my wrist from shoveling snow my last winter in New York.. 2009.
How cold is it there in Florida? I used to live in Gainesville, Fla in the '70s..
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)used to be citrus groves before climate change started revving up. That surge of arctic air coming all the way into central Florida killed the fruiting flowers on our loquats, though, and the next flowering of a Meyer lemon I was really looking forward to won't happen now while we're still down here.
You do clearly remember shoveling snow quite well. From Hawaii.
We'll be seeing some bad weather between now and next election day. I am not wishing for some hostile nation to demonstrate how they can take power down in some area and what that would mean to us, but we'd have acted big time decades ago if HVAC didn't do such a wonderful job of insulating us from reality. And of course the life-giving water that flows whenever we open a tap. Now, most homes would be unsustainable under conditions that occur every year.
Happy Friday to us.
Apollyonus
(812 posts)Riling up people who are frustrated and not getting what they want, promising them pie in the sky and dividing the Democratic party for the benefit of one or two people.
It is obviously ratfucking from the left.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)doing so. When she was directly asked if she was offended by the Speaker calling it a green dream she just accepted it graciously and said that it was a green dream.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Nicely done.
BannonsLiver
(16,434 posts)Debate and disagreements are now throwing shade.
A good line on Twitter is destroying so and so.
I root for the comet. Daily.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)AOC turned down the offer to join the new committee.
Reader Rabbit
(2,624 posts)I swear, they are like some of my middle school students, egging *others* into conflict so that they have a show to watch.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)But the whole repeating over and over that AOC is some kind of star. The MSM saw early on her potential to be used as a polorizing figure and went with it. She well represents her district but hardly all districts in our caucus.
And you would never know that our new incoming freshman are hardly a bunch of Democrat Socialist. To the contrary, a large number won republican held seats in moderate districts and reflect that moderation.
But fights sell and AOC is the perfect tool for them to set up a nonexistent straw man fight in our party.
We have a large number of members who persevered with no power while republicans controlled everything. The idea that they should lose assignments to any freshman, moderate or not is somewhat insulting.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)but AOC and 8.5 billion people will.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,362 posts)Not that any of us alive will benefit, but those of us who believe in reincarnation will thank you.
KG
(28,752 posts)Eugene
(61,937 posts)CNN
Published on Feb 7, 2019
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) introduces her plan to address climate change called a "Green New Deal," adding that she doesn't think House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was dismissive because it is a "green dream."
ecstatic
(32,727 posts)I've heard things here and there--but not quite sure of everything it involves. Is that the 90% tax thing?
Mariana
(14,860 posts)rgbecker
(4,834 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....on the fly at a news conference? I believe Madam Speaker has a number of things going on right now, to remember the name of a non-binding resolution probably is a few items down on her list of priorities.
Speaking of which, however, earlier in the day Nancy Pelosi appointed Cortez to the newly resurrected climate change committee, she declined. I wonder why?
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)Not that I don't like AOC, but she comes across as a Bernie Sanders-like character... someone that could, if not careful, hurt the party by trying to steal the spotlight.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Joe Biden does well enough in the primaries to get a good third or so of the delegates, with the hard-core NGD folks getting collectively most all of the rest. Then, the superdelegates push Joe over the top on the second to fifth ballot, and she leads the charge that the nomination was stolen from Bernie Sanders, or whoever got maybe 20-25% of the delegates for the first ballot.
If something like that happens, we're right back to the situation that got Trump elected the first time around.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)"Progressive Democrats like Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.) and Rep. John Lewis (Ga.) are some of the loudest voices behind the idea, which has been backed by only Democratic lawmakers back so far."
"
pushed by progressional Democratic lawmakers, a new poll found.
The survey conducted by the Yale Program on Climate Communication and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication found that 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans back the Green New Deal plan.
The organizations behind the poll explained poll-takers avoided mentioning to respondents which representatives were backing the New Green Deal to prevent injecting bias."
David__77
(23,456 posts)This is not a critique of proposed legislation.
Kaleva
(36,327 posts)""Quite frankly I haven't seen it, but I do know that it's enthusiastic, and we welcome all the enthusiasm that's out there," she said at her weekly news conference. "I'm very excited about it all, and I welcome the Green New Deal and any other proposals.""
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/politics/pelosi-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal/index.html
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)The Speaker of the House does not appreciate the seriousness of the issue nor the importance. Which is not surprising, many dont.
TeamPooka
(24,242 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)it's also just politics.
so much outrage.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Pelosi is possibly not behind all of it. AOC has every right to fight for her agenda and Pelosi has every right to be a lil dismissive or think it's overreach or needs to be workable - I suspect they may not be on the same page on everything which is fine . Pelosi wants a carbon tax and is willing to look at nuclear, neither of which features in AOC's green "Dream" AFAIK ( willing to be corrected on this)
Pelosi is being the leader she is supposed to be, her primary goal is to get shit passed not just in the house but also the Senate, This is a huge bill. And it's not just about AOC, it's co-sponsored by Edward Markey and many others, but no one is talking about Pelosi throwing shade at Markey
AOC herself said:
""Nancy Pelosi is a leader on climate, has always been a leader on climate. And I will not allow this caucus to be divided up by silly notions for whatever narrative," Ocasio-Cortez said. "We are 100 percent in this together. We have different solutions, and different mechanisms. (But) this issue faces all of us and we are not going to get divided over it. Period.""
jalan48
(13,879 posts)Response to progressoid (Original post)
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MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Makes the comments in this thread really interesting.
https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-climate-change-green-new-deal-1322754
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Wait for the renewed attacks on Nancy Pelosi for not paying homage to Ocasio-Cortez.