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yardwork

(61,650 posts)
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:43 PM Jan 2012

Romney will choose a white male conservative southern governor as VP. Who will it be?

It has to be somebody the evangelical Christians will support.

Haley Barbour is one possibility.

I don't think it will be Nathan Deal of Georgia - he was a Democrat until the mid-1990s. It will not be the female governor of South Carolina. It will be a white man with evangelical Christian and extreme-right conservative bona fides.

Who do you think it will be?

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Romney will choose a white male conservative southern governor as VP. Who will it be? (Original Post) yardwork Jan 2012 OP
The man-child rubio comipinko Jan 2012 #1
It won't be Rubio or anybody who's skin is darker than white paper. yardwork Jan 2012 #17
don't count on it. Puzzledtraveller Jan 2012 #33
But Rubio is Cuban American. Cuban Americans are reliably Republican and tend to disassociate Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #42
Susanna Martinez is my guess Yupster Jan 2012 #68
Your logic only adds to the case FOR Rubio. Bucky Jan 2012 #64
Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia. He's been groomed for it and the GOP needs the state. nt Cognitive_Resonance Jan 2012 #2
Alas, I'm sure you're right AND I'm sure that turd won't give up his "day job" beac Jan 2012 #5
And because VA only allows governors to serve for one term, I'm sure McDonnell wouldn't be Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #43
Sounds reasonable, but he could go for Rubio thinking it would help with the Hispanic vote. AlinPA Jan 2012 #6
It will not be Rubio. It will be a lily white man. yardwork Jan 2012 #10
My guess is a Hispanic female Yupster Jan 2012 #69
McDonnell has everything going for him except that he's Catholic. I don't know if the Repugs will go yardwork Jan 2012 #14
A Mormon and a Catholic on the ticket wouldn't sit well with the LibDemAlways Jan 2012 #45
Catholic, but he's also a product of Regent University (Pat Robertson's Law School). His politics Cognitive_Resonance Jan 2012 #48
I think you're right. McDonnell is the obvious choice. They probably won't pick him. yardwork Jan 2012 #50
man, you gotta learn to think outside those comfortable categories. Bucky Jan 2012 #65
Yup, Bob McDonnell. From the south, check. From a purple state, check. FSogol Jan 2012 #16
He's the one. I showed by brother just a pic of McDonnell and Kahuna Jan 2012 #22
agreed...he's been making moves under the radar... Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #24
Bush. Pryderi Jan 2012 #3
It won't be a Bush. Family name is tarnished for a generation. yardwork Jan 2012 #11
Nikki Haley, oh no wait.. Bobby Jindal.. err..... Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #4
Not to mention that the said female SC governor is of Indian descent KamaAina Jan 2012 #7
Sarah Palin Liberal Veteran Jan 2012 #8
A tea party Hispanic - Rubio. pampango Jan 2012 #9
I think Rubio too. MoonRiver Jan 2012 #20
The Republican strategy is to prevent Hispanics from getting to the polls, not court them. yardwork Jan 2012 #21
However, if choosing Rubio nullifies charges of racism, then so be it. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #44
The Cubanos in my part of SoCal rarely speak to those of Mexican heritage in Spanish... Tikki Jan 2012 #23
Jeb. arbusto_baboso Jan 2012 #12
No, a Bush on the ticket this year won't do. WI_DEM Jan 2012 #26
Really? You think they're not that completely tone-deaf? arbusto_baboso Jan 2012 #27
Whatever happened to that guy in Louisiana? slackmaster Jan 2012 #13
Bobby Jindal officially hitched his horse to the Perry wagon Brother Buzz Jan 2012 #19
Maybe this is why countingbluecars Jan 2012 #15
It's possible that Romney paid Perry to stay in the race and stop Santorum yardwork Jan 2012 #18
No, not necessarily. I think he might go with a midwesterner like Thune of South Dakota WI_DEM Jan 2012 #25
That's what I said, too! Either Thune or McDonnell or Rick Scott/Marco Rubio Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #46
Thune's name has come up before - and do you know one of the reasons why? hatrack Jan 2012 #66
Condi Rice Puzzledtraveller Jan 2012 #28
she also is a possibility. WI_DEM Jan 2012 #29
Doubtful onenote Jan 2012 #41
that could include Rick Scott . . . it would bring the TPers DrDan Jan 2012 #30
If there is a god, let it be Rick Scott! rurallib Jan 2012 #39
Beg to differ here... mazzarro Jan 2012 #31
I think Rick Perry stayed in the race sufrommich Jan 2012 #32
Any Republican will carry south for obvious reasons. So, I'm not convinced it'll be a southerner. Hoyt Jan 2012 #34
I live in the south and I don't think that Romney alone can carry purple states like VA and NC. yardwork Jan 2012 #37
You make a good point. I better stock up on blood pressure meds as right wing convention nears. Hoyt Jan 2012 #59
I agree with either McDonnell or Rick Scott. McDonnell is relatively popular in VA, and both Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #35
In general I agree PRETZEL Jan 2012 #38
Ooohh. I would love to sit and chat with you about this. Great analysis! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #40
I wish I knew more about Florida than I do PRETZEL Jan 2012 #49
Prick Perry TexasProgresive Jan 2012 #36
I think he proved too stupid even for Republicans DefenseLawyer Jan 2012 #47
Bet you can't remember the third! LOL n/t TexasProgresive Jan 2012 #54
Is Zell Miller still alive? Erose999 Jan 2012 #51
Kay Bailey Hutchison will play the Senator from Texas role of Lloyd Bentsen SaintPete Jan 2012 #52
Mitch Daniels. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #53
I don't think that he wants scrutiny of his time at Eli Lilly. yardwork Jan 2012 #56
Plus he's like 5'3" and looks like a garden gnome DefenseLawyer Jan 2012 #71
LOL! yardwork Jan 2012 #72
past history seems to indicate a non-logical choice Johonny Jan 2012 #55
It's easy to overestimate the Republican's use of logic, I agree. yardwork Jan 2012 #57
Huckabuck. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #58
The ghost of George Wallace. PCIntern Jan 2012 #60
More like the Ghost of Strom Thurmond. madinmaryland Jan 2012 #63
I was thinking Jesse Helms' corpse. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #73
John Thune (R-SD) n/t Tx4obama Jan 2012 #61
Jeb Bush, Bush family endorsing Romney. watercolors Jan 2012 #62
Christine ODonnell.....I am not a witch girl came out of hiding to make comments on TV re Iowa. Hmm opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #67
Paul Ryan. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #70

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
17. It won't be Rubio or anybody who's skin is darker than white paper.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:56 PM
Jan 2012

This is the year of the racists for Republicans.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
42. But Rubio is Cuban American. Cuban Americans are reliably Republican and tend to disassociate
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:47 PM
Jan 2012

from other Hispanic American groups. The racism in the GOP won't even phase Rubio; it didn't face Cain, Steele or JC Watts!

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
64. Your logic only adds to the case FOR Rubio.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 07:10 PM
Jan 2012

The reason it won't be Rubio is because the story of his fabricating his family history is too fresh. It'll take a while to die down--2016 or 2020 will be his time to make a move, assuming he can hang in there long enough.

People who say Republicans won't nominate a minority remind me of those who kept calling Colin Powell the "token black" in the Bush cabinet. It's sad when liberals can't see beyond race, thereby (ironically) lowering the bar for Republicans to seem inclusive. In reality what Colin Powell was was the token grown-up of the Bush White House.

beac

(9,992 posts)
5. Alas, I'm sure you're right AND I'm sure that turd won't give up his "day job"
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:47 PM
Jan 2012

while running. More misery for my poor state.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
43. And because VA only allows governors to serve for one term, I'm sure McDonnell wouldn't be
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jan 2012

adverse to taking the chance. He's out anyway in 2014.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
14. McDonnell has everything going for him except that he's Catholic. I don't know if the Repugs will go
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:55 PM
Jan 2012

for that, but it does mean that he's been purely and consistently anti-choice. Also has military experience, football player, relatively young - yes, he's definitely a contender.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
45. A Mormon and a Catholic on the ticket wouldn't sit well with the
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:53 PM
Jan 2012

Evangelicals. I think he has to go for someone who the born agains can feel comfortable with.

Cognitive_Resonance

(1,546 posts)
48. Catholic, but he's also a product of Regent University (Pat Robertson's Law School). His politics
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 04:03 PM
Jan 2012

and (edit) image (not imagine) have been carefully aligned for appeal to Republicans in general.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
50. I think you're right. McDonnell is the obvious choice. They probably won't pick him.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 04:08 PM
Jan 2012

The Republicans can't do anything right.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
65. man, you gotta learn to think outside those comfortable categories.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 07:12 PM
Jan 2012

If you think Republicans have a problem with Catholics, I suggest you take a look at who they've put on the Supreme Court

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
16. Yup, Bob McDonnell. From the south, check. From a purple state, check.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:56 PM
Jan 2012

Extremist that appears moderate, check.
Won't upstage the robotic Romney, check.

Kahuna

(27,311 posts)
22. He's the one. I showed by brother just a pic of McDonnell and
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jan 2012

we both agreed it's a good thing McDonald isn't running for President. He'd be tough to beat.

VA is a toss up and BM can deliver VA easily.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
7. Not to mention that the said female SC governor is of Indian descent
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:49 PM
Jan 2012

That also puts paid to Louisiana's Booby Jindal, who isn't quite crazy enough, anyway.

pRick Scott? He's a transplanted Yankee (like Newt).

Tennessee's Bill Haslam can union-bust with the best of them, but is an unknown on the national stage.

So yep, it pretty much comes back to Haley, who is term-limited as governor, anyway.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
9. A tea party Hispanic - Rubio.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:51 PM
Jan 2012

Romney will feel he has to placate the teabaggers and has to at least try to cut into the degree to which Obama wins the Hispanic vote.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
23. The Cubanos in my part of SoCal rarely speak to those of Mexican heritage in Spanish...
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:03 PM
Jan 2012

...only if they absolutely have to.
They will speak to other Cubanos in Spanish.
I believe they don't want the Mexican~Americans to feel like
they are too familiar with them.

Tikki

arbusto_baboso

(7,162 posts)
12. Jeb.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:53 PM
Jan 2012

That will set him up to be the favored candidate in 2016, since the Republican Party seems to have already conceded 2012.

arbusto_baboso

(7,162 posts)
27. Really? You think they're not that completely tone-deaf?
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:09 PM
Jan 2012

The Repiglicans are so completely out-of-step with what Americans really want, I consider a Jeb VP candidacy not only possible, but likely.

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
19. Bobby Jindal officially hitched his horse to the Perry wagon
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:58 PM
Jan 2012

He may have screwed the pooch with that stunt.....

countingbluecars

(4,766 posts)
15. Maybe this is why
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:56 PM
Jan 2012

Rick Perry decided to stay in the race and split the evangelical vote. Maybe Romney promised him something.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
18. It's possible that Romney paid Perry to stay in the race and stop Santorum
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:58 PM
Jan 2012

but if he promised him VP I think that Romney will betray Perry, who is damaged goods.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
25. No, not necessarily. I think he might go with a midwesterner like Thune of South Dakota
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:07 PM
Jan 2012

or Ryan of Wisconsin.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
66. Thune's name has come up before - and do you know one of the reasons why?
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 07:29 PM
Jan 2012

(Wait for it)

. . .

. . .

. . .

Because he's TALL.

Seriously, I heard some of the shouting heads saying that since he's, y'know, tall, it gives him presence and gravitas.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
41. Doubtful
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:47 PM
Jan 2012

I don't think they want foreign policy to be part of the discussion if they can avoid it. They certainly don't want a reminder of the administration that didn't get Osama bin Laden.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
32. I think Rick Perry stayed in the race
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:16 PM
Jan 2012

as a spoiler and I think he was promised something from the Romney campaign for his services. I'm going with Perry.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
34. Any Republican will carry south for obvious reasons. So, I'm not convinced it'll be a southerner.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:18 PM
Jan 2012

I live in the south -- when it comes down to it, the south will vote for Romney over our President no matter what he does. Sad it's that way.

But, then, who knows. I certainly never guessed McCain would select Palin.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
37. I live in the south and I don't think that Romney alone can carry purple states like VA and NC.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:22 PM
Jan 2012

The bigots will just stay home. They need a white male evangelical to get them to the polls.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
59. You make a good point. I better stock up on blood pressure meds as right wing convention nears.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 05:46 PM
Jan 2012
 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
35. I agree with either McDonnell or Rick Scott. McDonnell is relatively popular in VA, and both
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:18 PM
Jan 2012

Mitt and Obama really want to win Virginia. But Mittens needs to win a big state like Florida, which is also in contention. If Marco Rubio says no, then perhaps Rick Scott will say yes.

At the same time, a John Thune could be a good choice for Romney because he's extremely socially conservative. Tim Pawlenty is from a northern state, so he's out.

But, Romney has several choices:

He could choose Rick Santorum and solidify the social conservative base, plus capture PA.
He could choose a southern governor--perhaps Nikki Haley--and may a play for women and the South.
He could go for VA or FL by choosing either one of their nutbag governors.

Either way, he needs to choose a running mate that either helps him capture the South, pick up a swing state, or do well with social conservatives. A candidate with ALL these qualities would be ideal.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
38. In general I agree
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:38 PM
Jan 2012

particularily with Romney needing either the South or the two swing states you mentioned.

I would offer a slightly different viewpoint on some of the choices though,

I don't see Santorum being able to enough to capture PA. There's alot of issues, particularily with his choice to use PA as the charter school for his kids while still living in VA. There was some pretty good anger in the Pittsburgh area concerning this. Also, a Santorum VP candidacy could very easily bring out the votes in Philly and Pittsburgh which would pretty much eliminate a good deal of central PA support.

Nikki Haley would first have to deal once and for all those rumors of her affair. This would be unproven ground for a female politician of her stature to have to answer those types of questions. It's unfair, but it would inevitably come up.

I think Thune or Ryan would both be risky choices, especially Ryan. Up until now, there hasn't been the full assault on the single digit approval ratings of Congress and Ryan is right smack dab in the middle of it with his budget proposals that he couldn't even get his own party to endorse. Thune could be a possibility but he really doesn't have the national name recognition just yet.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
40. Ooohh. I would love to sit and chat with you about this. Great analysis!
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:46 PM
Jan 2012

I had forgotten that Santorum pulled a fast one in VA. However, neither he nor Gingrich are on the ballot. But I do wonder how Cuccinelli factors into this. I'm now thinking that he doesn't want to be governor; he's aspiring to higher office.

The people of South Carolina never held Nikki Haley accountable for her alleged affair. For some reason when Republicans have affairs, a la David Vitter and Newt Gingrich, they are somehow forgiven if they utter the word "Jesus." At any rate, her approval numbers are down anyway. I think John McCain, with the help of his boyfriend, Lindsay Graham, should help some. McCain remains immensely popular in SC, despite KKKarl tactics in 2000.

Still interested in your thoughts on Florida which seems very much to be in play.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
49. I wish I knew more about Florida than I do
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 04:03 PM
Jan 2012

but it's going to be hard sells for both candidates there. So depending on the popularity of Rubio or Scott that could be a deciding factor when it comes to a VP choice.

I don't know Cuccinelli so forgive me.

For the most part, it seems like if that's true of Haley's approval numbers, that'll put her in the Corbett range. That'll be another thing alot of us Pennsylvanians will be looking at also. It'll be an interesting interaction between Corbett and the R nominee since many of the issues here mirror the national scene also. That hopefully will be to the President's advantage if it's played right. The primary (which if I'm not mistaken is in Feb) will come very shortly after Corbett announces his budget proposals for 2012-2013. The state is already facing a shortfall of $500 million and if the proposed cuts affect social services or don't propose a gas extraction tax and come primary time if the candidates all endorse that proposal then the advantage most certainly would then be the President's.

From what I've been seeing and reading, PA isn't unique in that states that now have very heavy R control things are not improving. I think people may start seeing the "cut,cut,cut" logic not having a real strong base.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
47. I think he proved too stupid even for Republicans
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:58 PM
Jan 2012

To the average general election casual voter he reminds them too much of W. Sure the wingnuts like him and yes, to them stupid is an asset, but they have them in the bag. Ask John McCain how having a walking SNL skit on the ticket helped him. In fact I'll give you three reasons why Perry won't be on the ticket...

SaintPete

(533 posts)
52. Kay Bailey Hutchison will play the Senator from Texas role of Lloyd Bentsen
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 04:09 PM
Jan 2012

to Mitt Romney's Governor of Massachusetts role of Mike Dukakis.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
56. I don't think that he wants scrutiny of his time at Eli Lilly.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 04:20 PM
Jan 2012

Also, he and Romney are both confusingly pro-health care coverage. The Republicans don't want two people like that on the same ticket. And Daniels has no charisma.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
71. Plus he's like 5'3" and looks like a garden gnome
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 01:23 AM
Jan 2012

So he's got that going for him. Which is nice. Oh and his wife ran off with the pool boy or something and left Mitch to raise the kids before eventually coming back, and she REALLY doesn't want to talk about it.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
55. past history seems to indicate a non-logical choice
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 04:18 PM
Jan 2012

Sure Reagan took papa Bush which seemed logical. However Nixon's running mate came out of nowhere, same for McCain, baby Bush took the extremely unpopular Cheney who didn't logically help him at all election wise. Kemp was a little more sound but taking a New Yorker didn't seem a great strategic move. I have no clue who will take the VP job, but it would not shock me if Mitt took someone completely not in the picture and not logically associated with an election move. I personally think a lot of his "best" choices are people who didn't run this cycle because they want the job in 2016 and you don't get to be president by losing as the VP choice these days.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
58. Huckabuck.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jan 2012

He said he wasn't going to run last year.
But, this is 2012, so he'll ask Ted Nugent back on his tv program and they'll play 'Cat Scratch Fever' . . one . . more . . time!

An encore performance!

LoL

PCIntern

(25,556 posts)
60. The ghost of George Wallace.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 05:46 PM
Jan 2012

Oh no...I'm sorry...he'd be to the LEFT of most of the rethugs these days...

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