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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:10 PM Feb 2019

Why the attack on our cameraman was no surprise

I would really love to be able to say when I heard about the attack on our cameraman Ron Skeans that I was surprised. Or shocked even. I wasn't.

Once I found out that he was OK, and that the rest of the team were OK, I thought this was a pretty unsurprising event. What is shocking is that my reaction should be like that - because surely it can never be right that a person going about doing their job, in a country which cherishes the First Amendment and the rights of a free press, is pushed to the ground. But it is an incident that's been coming for a long time.

Before we get to that, let me say a word about Ron Skeans. Ron is the only one of our camera-people to have a "hard pass" that gives you direct access to the White House estate. I have a hard pass too. That means more or less whenever I am broadcasting live outside the White House, I am working with Ron.

He is the kindest, politest, most decent, patriotic man you could wish to meet. Frankly, there are a few cameramen that I've worked with over the years that are argumentative, provocative and generally belligerent. None of those adjectives could be applied to Ron.

He and I did a report together on Rolling Thunder, the day in Washington when thousands of bikers converge on the city to commemorate those missing in action in Vietnam or who'd been taken as POWs.

I rode my motorbike, he rode pillion on another to film the event. We were both slightly overwhelmed by the patriotism and emotion of the day. He is a proud son of Ohio - where like in most American families there were those of his relatives who supported Trump in 2016, and those who didn't.

The idea that someone would attack Ron is frankly preposterous. He's the wrong guy. But of course it wasn't Ron that was being attacked.

To the drunken lout in the red Make America Great Again hat at the Trump rally, who bravely attacked him from behind while he was looking through the 12lbs (5kg) of camera on his tripod and couldn't see him, that didn't matter.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47219957

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Why the attack on our cameraman was no surprise (Original Post) mfcorey1 Feb 2019 OP
Why is the name of the aggressor not reported? Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #1
Yes, why? SoCalNative Feb 2019 #6
I expect his name will be announced Harker Feb 2019 #7
If anyone thinks this is the end of it, they are wrong. louis-t Feb 2019 #2
The Redasshat Brigade... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #16
Redhat ass brigade. louis-t Feb 2019 #19
Stochastic terrorism. backscatter712 Feb 2019 #3
Stochastic terrorism should be a mandatory vocabulary term. kairos12 Feb 2019 #5
Well worth reading the full article Midnightwalk Feb 2019 #4
Violence hasn't happened at Trump's rallies once, but multiple times. backscatter712 Feb 2019 #8
Agree Midnightwalk Feb 2019 #9
Show this clip to a judge, along with selected clips of Trump's remarks at his Nuremburg rallies. backscatter712 Feb 2019 #10
the crowd reaction.... Locrian Feb 2019 #11
It isn't a crowd it was a mob. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #15
It was also violence and intimidation against civilians to advance a political agenda IronLionZion Feb 2019 #12
Sooner or Later... SDJay Feb 2019 #13
K&R ck4829 Feb 2019 #14
Those magats are such cowards DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #17
The press needs to organize Mr.Bill Feb 2019 #18
BTW, the reporter Gianforte body slammed was also from the BBC. nt tblue37 Feb 2019 #20

Harker

(14,033 posts)
7. I expect his name will be announced
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:35 PM
Feb 2019

when (if) he's charged with some form of assault.

I hope that will be soon.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
3. Stochastic terrorism.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:21 PM
Feb 2019

Trump's doing it, characters like Richard Spencer are doing it.

They're doing the same thing that Osama Bin Laden did, and that Anwar al-Awlaki. Yeah, they were cowards. Kept their own hands clean - the vast majority of their crimes constituted inciting others to do the dirty work for them. Except they did it in Arabic. And we responded with less patience. Bin Laden sleeps with da fishes, and al-Awlaki got turned into fine red mist.

Where's a Predator drone when we need one?

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
4. Well worth reading the full article
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:26 PM
Feb 2019

From wikipedia

Advocacy of force or criminal activity does not receive First Amendment protections if (1) the advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and (2) is likely to incite or produce such action.[2]


Not a lawyer but that seems difficult to prove based on a single case. Are there steps the media as a group could document and “complain” about his incitement that would enable a state AG to file a case?

Maybe wishful thinking but this is a dangerous ride we’re on.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
8. Violence hasn't happened at Trump's rallies once, but multiple times.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:46 PM
Feb 2019

Right in front of him.

After he's openly instigated it and said things like offering to pay for lawyers to defend assholes that get violent against protesters or the press.

I know, we have a First Amendment fetish, but there's a reason why many countries will put people in jail for incitement.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
9. Agree
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:52 PM
Feb 2019

Just wondering if there are steps media groups could take to make it easier to get past the “imminent violence “ test. Like multiple complaints directed at trump or an injunction. Again not a lawyer.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
11. the crowd reaction....
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 02:45 PM
Feb 2019

They started chanting "let him go" (the attacker) then "trump, trump, trump"

It's what they love and they equate that with trump. This is the rise of facisim and terrorism in the US

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
15. It isn't a crowd it was a mob.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 03:53 PM
Feb 2019

His events have mob aspects to each one. This is not a crowd, it is a mob.

IronLionZion

(45,516 posts)
12. It was also violence and intimidation against civilians to advance a political agenda
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 02:46 PM
Feb 2019

but white people can't be terrorists.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
13. Sooner or Later...
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 03:31 PM
Feb 2019

and perhaps sooner, someone is going to get killed at one of these hatefests. I shudder to think that, but honestly, can anyone look at what's happening and not at least think it's increasingly possible?

Then what?

This is terrifying on so many levels it's impossible to articulate all of them.

It's also depressing that there's no way it's going to stop. Does anyone see Dump cooling the rhetoric? Of course not - it's a big applause bit, and that's all he's after, serious injury or death be damned.

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
17. Those magats are such cowards
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 03:54 PM
Feb 2019

"...the drunken lout in the red Make America Great Again hat at the Trump rally, who bravely attacked him from behind while he was looking through the 12lbs (5kg) of camera on his tripod and couldn't see him"

I want to tell you a short story. I was working in the warehouse, outside the office one day, routing the New England runs for the next morning when a kid who worked in production ran up behind me and pushed me as hard as he could from behind right between my shoulder blades. I never saw or heard him coming.

I have no idea what his problem was. A few days later, while loading patio doors (about 100 pounds per panel) onto a trailer, I felt an intense burning between my shoulder blades. The pain was unbearable. I rested until the pain subsided then completed loading the trailer.

That was around 1982/3. I worked like for another twenty years. Before they found out I had a compression fracture of my spine - a broken back literally, in 2003 while getting MRI's after an idiot crashed into my truck at full speed while I was stopped that wrecked my cervical and lumbar spine.

I urge the photographer to get an MIR ASAP and sue the shit out of the magat that attacked him from behind.

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