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applegrove

(118,767 posts)
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:58 PM Feb 2019

VLADIMIR PUTIN'S ADVISER TELLS AMERICANS: 'RUSSIA INTERFERES IN YOUR BRAINS, WE CHANGE YOUR CONSCIEN

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VLADIMIR PUTIN’S ADVISER TELLS AMERICANS: ‘RUSSIA INTERFERES IN YOUR BRAINS, WE CHANGE YOUR CONSCIENCE’

BY CRISTINA MAZA at Newsweek

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-president-vladimir-putin-election-americans-1327793

"SNIP....

Americans who worry about Russia election interference should stop focusing on such trivialities and instead realize that the idea that they have a choice over how they are governed is a mere illusion, Vladislav Surkov, an adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin, wrote in an op-ed published this week.

“The illusion of choice is the most important illusion, the main trick of Western democracy especially…. The rejection of this illusion in favor of the reality that everything is predestined will allow society to reflect first on our vision of democratic development,” Surkov wrote. “Foreign politicians talk about Russia’s interference in elections and referendums around the world. In fact, the matter is even more serious: Russia interferes in your brains, we change your conscience, and there is nothing you can do about it.”

In his op-ed for the Russian publication Nezavisimaya Gazeta, or “Independent Newspaper,” Surkov also laid out Putin’s vision of returning Russia to its rightful role as a global superpower and exporting “Putinism” as an ideology to be adopted around the world.

“After having fallen from the USSR to the Russian Federation, Russia stopped collapsing and began to recover and return to its natural and only possible state as a large nation that is on the rise,” he wrote.

.....SNIP"

Send this link to your Trump cult family and friends:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/after-service/201902/the-purpose-brainpower-are-we-misusing-our-minds

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VLADIMIR PUTIN'S ADVISER TELLS AMERICANS: 'RUSSIA INTERFERES IN YOUR BRAINS, WE CHANGE YOUR CONSCIEN (Original Post) applegrove Feb 2019 OP
republicans will applaud like good little subby Evil Empire* Apparatchiks Achilleaze Feb 2019 #1
Do we need more mental health deprogammers or procon Feb 2019 #2
He's trying to say, "Look over here, StarryNite Feb 2019 #3
Spielberg already did that plot line. 912gdm Feb 2019 #6
You don't need to hack the vote if you can hack the voters. The_jackalope Feb 2019 #4
+100 applegrove Feb 2019 #5
Now the bdamomma Feb 2019 #15
That is bdamomma Feb 2019 #7
Democrats who drank the "sick Hillary" koolaid were victims too. The_jackalope Feb 2019 #9
Some of us haven't been interfered with NastyRiffraff Feb 2019 #8
I remember the slogans Apollyonus Feb 2019 #14
Not mine. I still hate Russia like I did 40 years ago. roamer65 Feb 2019 #10
So will MSM cover this?? triron Feb 2019 #11
knr triron Feb 2019 #12
Everything he said is an attempt to scare us into believing resistance to Russia is futile. Claritie Pixie Feb 2019 #13
People in Russia do not have access to the news bdamomma Feb 2019 #17
Sowing fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Sapient Donkey Feb 2019 #16

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
1. republicans will applaud like good little subby Evil Empire* Apparatchiks
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 07:01 PM
Feb 2019
* The evil empire of russia, as republicans were explicitly warned about by ronald freaking reagan, who's grave the Latter Day KGOP republicans are now pissing upon as they let russia perpetrate ongoing ACTS OF WAR** against America.

** Acts of War against the USA as determined by all 17 US Intelligence Agencies.


procon

(15,805 posts)
2. Do we need more mental health deprogammers or
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 07:19 PM
Feb 2019

should we just surrender quietly and live out our lives in the "1984" utopia that Putin has designed for us?

StarryNite

(9,459 posts)
3. He's trying to say, "Look over here,
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 07:28 PM
Feb 2019

look over here" to take the focus off tRump and putin working together. They don't want their water boy to be ousted.

912gdm

(959 posts)
6. Spielberg already did that plot line.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 07:43 PM
Feb 2019
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I am a big lover in Indiana Jones but I HATED that movie.



Im not trying to downplay Russian interference in any way, but when the president gets his border wall info from the movie Sicario: Day of the Soldado, it's pretty funky that a Russian aide mimics a character by Cate Blanchett

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
4. You don't need to hack the vote if you can hack the voters.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 07:30 PM
Feb 2019

And if you can further polarize the two sides in the process, so much the better for future national chaos.
Crimea was the proof of concept, Brexit was the dress rehearsal, Trump was the triumph.

Surkov, Dugin, Gerasimov and Putin conceived, designed, planned and orchestrated it. Mogilevich/oligarch money funded it. American voters swallowed it - hook, line and sinker.

bdamomma

(63,919 posts)
7. That is
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 07:58 PM
Feb 2019

psychological warfare??? Is that correct??

Nothing we can do about it????? 37% have drank the kool aid, the rest of have not.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
9. Democrats who drank the "sick Hillary" koolaid were victims too.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 08:10 PM
Feb 2019

Democrats are not immune to psyops. They are just susceptible to different propaganda.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
8. Some of us haven't been interfered with
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 08:06 PM
Feb 2019

The ones who knew about Russian interference almost from the beginning and weren't afraid to say so. Of course the Trumpers fell for Trumputian lies, but too many on the left either looked the other way or actually accepted and voted the Russian backed Jill Stein, and fell for all the lies about Hillary Clinton. That all came straight from the Russian brain changers.

And of course, there were too many compromised American politicians like Trump, Graham, etc.

But good Democrats stood strong. We're still standing. Fuck you, Vlad.

 

Apollyonus

(812 posts)
14. I remember the slogans
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:00 PM
Feb 2019

of how Hillary and Trump were equally bad on a site started by some people from here who were unhappy that their candidate lost the primaries.

Aided by the likes of stupid Susan Sarandon ... bad memes and rumors made into whole false narratives thanks to some misguided Democrats and a whole lot of Russian inspired idiots.

I ask them, "Now, do you think Hillary would have been as bad as Trump?"

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
13. Everything he said is an attempt to scare us into believing resistance to Russia is futile.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 09:37 PM
Feb 2019

Putin and his people are parasites with gigantic egos.

bdamomma

(63,919 posts)
17. People in Russia do not have access to the news
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:11 PM
Feb 2019

they keep information away from them. hmmmm…..sound familiar??? Keep the masses ignorant.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
16. Sowing fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:08 PM
Feb 2019

He does make a valid point that it is difficult to know for sure if what we're hearing/reading is a real "message", or if it's something that being pushed by others for other reasons that benefit them in some ways. Then again, does it matter if their goals align with yours AND if the end results are positive without causing some sort of damage?

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