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From filing in Roger Stone case: (Original Post) triron Feb 2019 OP
I'm guessing Kushner is that campaign official, tRump's son-in-law. ffr Feb 2019 #1
And hold him without bail. Mr.Bill Feb 2019 #4
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!! bluestarone Feb 2019 #5
When are they going to "Lock Him Up'? pdsimdars Feb 2019 #2
Looks like it's Roger Stone's turn in the barrel? George II Feb 2019 #3
Is the 250K bail reflective of the evidence? Evolve Dammit Feb 2019 #6
No. mercuryblues Feb 2019 #7
Thanks. So I assume that as evidence of crimes come up, Evolve Dammit Feb 2019 #9
Yup. That is what happened with manafucked mercuryblues Feb 2019 #10
I knew he couldn't keep his mouth shut mercuryblues Feb 2019 #11
Could they also be indicted for procession of stolen goods? Does correspondence (electronic) SWBTATTReg Feb 2019 #8

ffr

(22,672 posts)
1. I'm guessing Kushner is that campaign official, tRump's son-in-law.
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 05:47 PM
Feb 2019

Begin the mass hiring of FBI arresting agents and start the raids.

We know enough and shouldn't have to wait any longer.

Evolve Dammit

(16,778 posts)
6. Is the 250K bail reflective of the evidence?
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 06:47 PM
Feb 2019

Seems like he should have gone to jail if they had enough conspiracy/ collusion evidence. Considering he met with Assange and was working with Guccifer 2.0, promising and delivering on dumps of hacked emails (Podesta etc.), it seems a very generous bail on the part of the Judge.
PS Is Guccifer a take-off on Lucifer?? So many questions, and only Mueller's team and those implicated know what the hell happened. We need answers.

mercuryblues

(14,544 posts)
7. No.
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:02 PM
Feb 2019

It is based on his charges.

6 counts of lying to congress and 1 count of obstruction.

These charges have nothing to do with the crime. It has to do with the coverup. Mueller can ammend the indictment as needed. Look at how he handled Manafucked. Then after all that Mueller had the judge null the deal because Manafucked wouldn't stop lying to investigators.

Evolve Dammit

(16,778 posts)
9. Thanks. So I assume that as evidence of crimes come up,
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:12 PM
Feb 2019

and/or violation of gag order it could ratchet up the bail conditions? He does not have a plea agreement, so lack of cooperation is not a factor at this point?

mercuryblues

(14,544 posts)
10. Yup. That is what happened with manafucked
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 10:06 PM
Feb 2019

He couldn't stop committing crimes while out on bail, so bail was revoked.

I see Stone violating the court order and having bail revoked. It will work pretty much like on TV. Only it will take weeks, if not months.

With Manafucked, Mueller wanted cooperation. The longer he was uncooperative the more charges Mueller dropped on him. After the 3rd time an agreement was made. Manafort agreed to tell the truth in exchange for a shortened sentence. Only Manafucked still lied and now he is looking at 29 years.

I see Stone following the same path. He can't keep his mouth shut, so he will eventually violate court orders. He has also made millions from being a liar, he can't stop himself. The longer he holds out, the more charges will be dropped on him. The filing yesterday hinted at some big crimes and Mueller has the evidence to prove it. His only hope to get out of prison before he dies is to be 100% truthful. But like I said, Stone can't stop lying. He has Stone on wiretaps colluding with Guccifer2.o, who in reality was a Russian intelligence operative talking about the emails. Has him on tape colluding with Assange about releasing the emails in the most harmful way for the Clinton campaign. wiretaps, emails and text messages - Mueller has it all.

A good prosecutor already knows the answer to a question before s/he asks it. He will know if Stone is lying to him. He just won't let on that he knows.





SWBTATTReg

(22,171 posts)
8. Could they also be indicted for procession of stolen goods? Does correspondence (electronic)
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:08 PM
Feb 2019

have the same value as stealing mail from the US Post Office, or other Post Office mail boxes/drop off boxes (e.g., stealing social security checks out of someone's mail for example)? I know that they passed some additional electronic fraud/etc. measures in Congress but I don't know any of the details of the bills supposedly passed.

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