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still_one

(92,320 posts)
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:07 PM Feb 2019

Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden should do the Democrats a favor and drop out (opinion piece)

"The 2020 Democratic presidential field has been filling up with a historically diverse array of candidates, including five women, four racial minorities, a little-known white congressman and a gay mayor. Several have shown strong candidate skills.
Two prominent white males, former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke and Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown, are edging toward active candidacies.
The potential candidate who has been leading most Democratic polls, former Vice President Joe Biden, has held back, and so until Tuesday, did the candidate running second, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. Given their superior name recognition, they presumably don't need as much run-up time since they'll find it easier to raise funds and set up a campaign than neophyte hopefuls.
But let's face reality: Despite their current standing, both Biden and Sanders face significant barriers in winning the nomination, let alone the presidency. It might have been better for them — and their party — if they bypassed the 2020 race. That goes for former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, too."


https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2019/02/19/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-democrats-favor-drop

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Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden should do the Democrats a favor and drop out (opinion piece) (Original Post) still_one Feb 2019 OP
To be fair, Biden hasn't announced anything yet. GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #1
Sanders has no path to victory and there are reasons Biden has twice fallen way short. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #2
Sanders should drop out because he is not a Democrat standingtall Feb 2019 #3
bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT!!! if he changes from Indep to Dem just for this election trueblue2007 Feb 2019 #8
I will not support him either standingtall Feb 2019 #9
I agree Progressive dog Feb 2019 #20
Get used to this Trifecta madville Feb 2019 #4
So do you think men get more capable as they move into their 80s? comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #6
My age criteria is simple genxlib Feb 2019 #15
Joe Biden isn't in... yet. In It to Win It Feb 2019 #5
Joe Biden is our party's strongest potential candidate in the EC against Trump. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #7
Actually Sherrod Brown will be if he runs standingtall Feb 2019 #10
Most people across America have never hear of him. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #11
People in Ohio heard of him and he just got reelected there handily in 2018 standingtall Feb 2019 #14
Joe Biden's name won't hold up against scrutiny? CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #16
His name recognition will not be enough to overcome his age standingtall Feb 2019 #18
Yea lets do what Dallas wants us to do. pwb Feb 2019 #12
I think that is correct. honest.abe Feb 2019 #13
We have a primary for a reason. briv1016 Feb 2019 #17
Do we need 20, 30 candidates?? honest.abe Feb 2019 #19

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
1. To be fair, Biden hasn't announced anything yet.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:10 PM
Feb 2019

He's not technically in it. I love him, and I think he'd make a great President. But, I think it's too late for him. That being said, if he enters and wins the nomination, I'd vote for him in a heart beat.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
2. Sanders has no path to victory and there are reasons Biden has twice fallen way short.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:13 PM
Feb 2019

And both will be older than Reagan was when Reagan *left* office for cryin' out loud.

I tend to agree that Sanders and Biden not running would be best. I know some only think of Biden as lovable Uncle Joe who pals around with Obama buying burgers and ice cream, but the reasons he has never come close to being our nominee will become apparent.

standingtall

(2,786 posts)
3. Sanders should drop out because he is not a Democrat
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:16 PM
Feb 2019

but he wont. So the alternative would be for him to run as a independent which would be worse for Democrats. So Biden in the race would serve as a buffer between Sanders and any momentum he could get in the primary and I disagree with the assertion Biden should drop out even if that were not the case. White males are still the second largest single demographic in the country behind white women and our under performance with them in 2016 along with Russian interference is part of the reason Trump stole the electoral college.

trueblue2007

(17,232 posts)
8. bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT!!! if he changes from Indep to Dem just for this election
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:53 PM
Feb 2019

then he is just being an opportunist. I will ONLY support a Democrat.

standingtall

(2,786 posts)
9. I will not support him either
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:57 PM
Feb 2019

but I would rather him lose in a primary than run as a 3rd party independent in the general.

Progressive dog

(6,916 posts)
20. I agree
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:03 PM
Feb 2019

Bernie is not a Democrat because he doesn't have values in common with either party.
Last time he claimed "The Clintons have spent decades as insiders lining their own pockets and taking care of donors instead of the American people. It is now clear that the Clinton Foundation is the most corrupt enterprise in political history."
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/bernie-sanders-fans-can-t-be-allowed-poison-another-democratic-ncna953976

madville

(7,412 posts)
4. Get used to this Trifecta
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:21 PM
Feb 2019

Ageism - check
Sexism - check
Racism - check

Attacking candidates for being old, male and white sounds like a great strategy to appeal to the largest voting demographic in all the swing states, older white people.

comradebillyboy

(10,174 posts)
6. So do you think men get more capable as they move into their 80s?
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:47 PM
Feb 2019

I'm in my 70s and the age related decline is quite obvious to me. That's not ageism that's the reality of getting old.

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
15. My age criteria is simple
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:03 PM
Feb 2019

I want a candidate that has the best opportunity to be healthy, active and sharp for the next 10 years. That is two years of campaigning and two terms.

At 76+, there are actuarial probabilities that these gentlemen won't fit the criteria. There are no guarantees for someone in their 50's but the probabilities are exponentially better.

If you want to call that ageism, so be it.

 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
7. Joe Biden is our party's strongest potential candidate in the EC against Trump.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:50 PM
Feb 2019

He wins back states we narrowly lost to Trump last time.

Let's be smart people.

 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
11. Most people across America have never hear of him.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:59 PM
Feb 2019

A non-starter as a presidental nominee.

His regional strength could make him a good contender of a VP slot if Kamala Harris gets the nomination.

standingtall

(2,786 posts)
14. People in Ohio heard of him and he just got reelected there handily in 2018
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:03 PM
Feb 2019

A state Trump absolutely has to win. Sherrod would win every state Hilary lost and might win Ohio too. Biden's name recognition will not hold up against scrutiny and once people get to know Brown they will like him.

standingtall

(2,786 posts)
18. His name recognition will not be enough to overcome his age
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:11 PM
Feb 2019

and him being in bed with Delaware banks during his senate career, and then there is the Anita Hill thing. Which will be a huge negative in the me too era. The point is Biden has baggage and it will be exposed in a primary. That's what I meant by saying his name recognition will not hold up against scrutiny.

honest.abe

(8,680 posts)
13. I think that is correct.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:02 PM
Feb 2019

Sanders and Biden are both past their "use by date". Its time for new blood and fresh faces.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
17. We have a primary for a reason.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:08 PM
Feb 2019

Short of a scandle or terrible polling numbers, no one should drop out till the first set of primaries.

honest.abe

(8,680 posts)
19. Do we need 20, 30 candidates??
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:13 PM
Feb 2019

I dont think so. Biden and Sanders have had their chance and failed. Time for them to move on. We have more than enough good candidates.

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