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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSeth Abramson's NEW thread about the ending of Mueller investigation here. 2/20/2019
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
1/ The first important thing is to understand thatas NBC has done with a similar report over the last two daysCNN hedged its bets on its report in every way possible:
(a) Barr's actions are merely "preparations."
(b) CNN treats the news as merely an "indication" of the future.
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Seth Abramson
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(c) If true, it means Mueller's "nearly" done.
(d) "The precise timing of the announcement is subject to change."
(e) "The scope and contours of what Barr will send to Congress remain unclear."
(f) "Also unclear is how long it'll take Justice to prepare what it will submit."
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
3/ As someone who teaches journalism as well as legal advocacy, I'd say that's a heck of a lot of hedging. We got the same thingadmittedly on a more sparse reportfrom NBC's Pete Williams yesterday when he said "it's just our [NBC's] speculation" as to when Mueller will finish.
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
4/ A last hedge from CNNand previously NBCis that neither Justice nor Mueller will comment on these reports, and the sources are (of course) anonymous, so we have no idea how strong the sourcing is. The sources are at Justicebut whether they're in-the-know/biased we can't say.
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
5/ Some of CNN's report is rehashedreading signs about Mueller possibly finishing up it's noted before (e.g., 4 of Mueller's 17 prosecutors being reassigned). CNN also says it saw "special counsel's office employees carry boxes and push a cart full of files out of their office."
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
6/ In making that second observation (about files leaving Mueller's office), CNN issued a *warning* about how we should understand what's happeningnoting that the movement of files may signal a "hand-off" of certain cases (to other federal prosecutors) rather than their closure.
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
7/ This is why some inexact language being used by very good reporters at CNN should be checked, including one journalist who said (erroneously) that this report, if true, meant "the completion of the Russia investigation." If we know one thing, we know that that's not accurate.
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
8/ One reason many attorneys (me, Preet Bharara, and many others) saw Mueller delivering a report to DOJ this summer rather than this springkeeping in mind that when *we* see it, and how much of it we see, is a different matteris because certain things can't be wrapped up yet.
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
9/ Russian spy Maria Butina's boyfriend Paul Erickson was just charged, and we don't know what he'll reveal; Roger Stone was just charged, and we don't know what he'll reveal; Manafort may face new charges or may balk when he gets his sentence, so we don't know what he'll reveal.
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
10/ Mueller's office previously told Jerome Corsi it would indict him, and that still hasn't happened; Congress has sent transcripts to Mueller indicating felony perjury or lying to Congress by Erik Prince, Donald Trump Jr. and others, and those charges have not yet been brought.
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
11/ Mueller is still fighting with one individual and one corporation to compel grand jury testimony, and just extended his grand jury 6 months, so those matters must be litigated, as must outstanding subpoenas for document productionapparently internationallythat Mueller sent.
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
12/ Even taking all thisand moreinto account, Mueller is entitled to issue a "final" report saying who he prosecuted, who he *plans to prosecute* or *is about to prosecute*, and who he chose not to prosecute (which could include the president, non-prosecuted due to DOJ regs).
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
13/ So a "final" report from Robert Mueller could be issued at the same time as any number of indictments are brought or pursued, with DOJ knowing that Mueller's office will have to supplement any "final" report with anything it learns from current or future indicted individuals.
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Seth Abramson
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3h3 hours ago
14/ At the same time, as DOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, any "hand-off" cases that go to other federal prosecutors (say at SDNY, EDVA or DC) will not necessarily be addressed in any "final" report, or, if mentioned, may appear partly or wholly redacted pre-release.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
15/ What those who've been reporting that Mueller is close to issuing a final report have been saying is simply that: that he's close to issuing a "final report." That doesn't mean "the Russia investigation is complete" in anything like the way most people will hear that phrase.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
16/ We also know that Robert Mueller may or may not close (or be involved with, or even know about) every *counterintelligence* case that may remain open about Trump and his campaignpossibly leading to new criminal cases down the lineas opposed to Mueller's *criminal* inquiry.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
17/ Mueller's report, if indeed issued in March, could include information that leads to new counterintelligence investigations, new criminal investigations, new Congressional hearings that lead to new security concerns and new criminal referralswe just have no idea whatsoever.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
18/ We don't know if Mueller was forced to end his work by Barr; if Mueller chose not to indict certain Trump compatriots because they're cooperating witnesses in an impeachable-offense (collusion-related) allegation against Trump; if Mueller handed off explosive cases, or what.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
19/ The upshot: lawyers and investigators (or, like me, lawyers and former investigators) have consistently said that *on the facts* Mueller can't be done with his work or even 3 months from done; CNN and MSNBC are reporting that *administratively* Mueller may be closing up shop.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
20/ So if the reports are right, as @neal_katyal says we're only at the "end of the beginning," not the end of the end. And depending upon how and why we got here now, and what Mueller says in his reportor else sees redactedwe may well be at the beginning of a year of scandals.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
21/ I'm only scratching the surface of this topic here. We still may have up to 20 sealed indictments per the DC docket (or none, or more) and even CNN notes that "even with signs of a wrap-up, the DC US Attorney's office has stepped in to work on cases that may continue longer."
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
22/ Just one probe *alone*of Trump's inaugural committeehas many of the same witnesses as the Russia investigation "proper" (e.g., Barrack, Flynn, Gates, and more), so how and whether charges emanate from those cases will determine how much more such cases produce on collusion.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
23/ Certainly, we know that people like Flynn and Gates have provided the feds with enormous cooperation with secret intel only they (or they and few people) haveand we've seen *no indictments* from that information, which means other shoes *have* to drop. That's how this works.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
24/ So if you're seeing attorneys scrambling a bit here, it's because reporters have the easy job in this instancesimply saying whether they're hearing a report is comingand attorneys the much harder job: to explain how that could be the case when it *factually* makes no sense.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
25/ (And/or to explain how the news the reporters are reporting doesn't actually mean what some of the reporters are implyingas I've tried to do here by emphasizing how many different explosive directions this situation could go in over the next month, many harrowing for Trump.)
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
PS/ Those of us *also* in the midst of researching books are in a particularly fraught placeas we need to get our research done and *know* a book-length treatise is required to explain what's happened, but *also* know how bad the truth is and that therefore this isn't near over.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
PS2/ For instance, I did a thread a week ago summarizing that we have *all ends* of an illegal "quid pro quo" of pre-election collusion involving the Trump campaign and an Israeli business intelligence operation that successfully sold Trump Jr. on a Saudi-funded disinfo campaign.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
PS3/ So (taking that as just one example of many), I could take today's news as meaning that Trump Jr. will be charged with Lying to Congress by March and then leaned on for more info on Wikistrat/Psy-Group; that this is all part of the ongoing counterintel op; or something else.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
PS4/ I can't give you an answer on where these clear lines of federal inquiry are going, and neither can anyone elsebut I know they exist and I know they cannot and will not be blithely closed with a simple report in March. *Many* of these threads are *far* too explosive to end.
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Seth Abramson
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2h2 hours ago
PS5/ For all we know, Robert Mueller will dump tons of raw intel into the laps of Congress and the CIA and tell them to investigate it all because he doesn't want to exceed his mandate. We just can't know now and *won't* know for many, many more monthsand maybe not even in 2019.
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BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)works and he doesn't leave any rock unturned. He also said that Mueller is giving a lot of the cases to the states' AGs which means that even after Mjeller is finished specifically on his work others will still be investigated and prosecuted by the state AGs and this could go on for several years since there are so many various criminal threads and connections that we aren't even aware of right now.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,355 posts)I would be surprised if the investigations and prosecutions do not go on for years.
BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)with his hand picked judges so we may never see justice no matter how long we wait.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)I've disconnect somewhat, and focusing on moving overseas...just in case the fooker gets another 4yrs in the WH
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)They are able to subpoena Mueller, and to subpoena witnesses we have not heard from yet.
And, if the fates allow, we will have a Dem senate in less than two years as well and be able to rain down justice.
BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)both chambers.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,355 posts)The House does appropriations and the Senate does confirmations. The WH can be stymied if the House and Senate are working together. We NEED the House and Senate more than we need the WH.
We need another blue tsunami to keep the House and take the Senate.