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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnybody (besides us old ones) heard of Daniel ELLSBERG?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg
.... ...while employed by the RAND Corporation, precipitated a national political controversy in 1971 when he released the Pentagon Papers, a top-secret Pentagon study of the U.S. government decision-making in relation to the Vietnam War, to The New York Times and other newspapers.
On January 3, 1973, Ellsberg was charged under the Espionage Act of 1917 along with other charges of theft and conspiracy, carrying a total maximum sentence of 115 years. Due to governmental misconduct and illegal evidence-gathering, and the defense by Leonard Boudin and Harvard Law School professor Charles Nesson, Judge William Matthew Byrne Jr. dismissed all charges against Ellsberg on May 11, 1973. ....
...Ellsberg came to understand about the Vietnam War that:
It was no more a "civil war" after 1955 or 1960 than it had been during the U.S.-supported French attempt at colonial reconquest. .... In terms of the UN Charter and of our own avowed ideals, it was a war of foreign aggression, American aggression.[9] ....
By 1969 Ellsberg began attending anti-war events while still remaining in his position at RAND. He experienced an epiphany attending a War Resisters League conference at Haverford College in August 1969, listening to a speech given by a draft resister named Randy Kehler, who said he was "very excited" that he would soon be able to join his friends in prison.[10][11] ....
In late 1969, with the assistance of his former RAND Corporation colleague Anthony Russo, Ellsberg secretly made several sets of photocopies of the classified documents to which he had access; these later became known as the Pentagon Papers. They revealed that, early on, the government had knowledge that the war as then resourced could most likely not be won. Further, as an editor of The New York Times was to write much later, these documents "demonstrated, among other things, that the Johnson Administration had systematically lied, not only to the public but also to Congress, about a subject of transcendent national interest and significance".[13] ....
Throughout 1970, Ellsberg covertly attempted to persuade a few sympathetic U.S. Senatorsamong them J. William Fulbright, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and George McGovern, a leading opponent of the warto release the papers on the Senate floor, because a Senator could not be prosecuted for anything he said on the record before the Senate.[15] ....
On Sunday, June 13, 1971, the Times published the first of nine excerpts from, and commentaries on, the 7,000 page collection. For 15 days, the Times was prevented from publishing its articles by court order requested by the Nixon administration. Meanwhile, while eluding an FBI manhunt for thirteen days, Ellsberg leaked the documents to The Washington Post and 17 other newspapers.[17] On June 30, the US Supreme Court ordered free resumption of publication by the Times (New York Times Co. v. United States). Two days prior to the Supreme Court's decision, Ellsberg publicly admitted his role in releasing the Pentagon Papers to the press.[18]
On June 29, 1971, U.S. Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska entered 4,100 pages of the Papers into the record of his Subcommittee on Public Buildings and Groundspages which he had received from Ellsberg via Ben Bagdikian, then an editor at the Washington Post. ....
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PatSeg
(47,501 posts)James Spader from 2003 called The Pentagon Papers. If you can find it, it is worth watching, very informative. I ended up buying it on DVD so I could watch it again.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)His role in The Post was significantly diminished. That movie was more about Graham claiming her position of leadership in a male-dominated world.
I was disappointed in The Post. I think my expectations were for something different. The Pentagon Papers is told from Ellsberg's point of view and at times, it was a nail-biter. It really made me appreciate the man much more. It was a made-for-cable movie, TNT I think, and I can't believe it wasn't rerun. Perhaps too political?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)she was not raised to take. She was afraid, "but did it anyway." I admired that and I think Meryl Streep understood her and played her perfectly.
I appreciated the story. It just wasn't quite what I was expecting. I love Meryl Streep's portrayal of Graham and it was a take on the story I hadn't heard before.
Also, there was an awful lot of hype about the movie before I saw it, so I felt it didn't live up to the hype. Streep always does however.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)he is the only guest, I think...It is magnificent...may be able to get a taste on U Tube.
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)PatSeg
(47,501 posts)but I found a lot of fascinating episodes. I may have to binge-watch Dick Cavett. I remember loving his show years ago.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)I just saw one with David Carradine and Barbara Seagull(remember how she changed her name) and the baby Free 1971..tons of cool politicos...Jane Peter and Henry Fonda on with MORT FRICKING SAHL..1970..coming up is Bruce Dern who I love love love..it will be him as a young buck...Jimmi Hendrix Janis...BEST EVER the day after Woodstock 1969 Joni CSN Grace and Jefferson Airplane...Dick was a straight and didn't know what to do with them...on and on....the vintage ones are sometimes very hard to find...
There is also a 2hr one with Richard Burton...died and gone to heaven....such literate conversation...something we are lacking in 2019.
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)What retro channel do you get? I have a few on DISH, but I usually don't watch them.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)189 190 191 192 193 194
191 is the Cavett old shows...there is no name of channel, just local call letters. It begins in the morning with Dark Shadows The Fugitive 2 Donna Reed 2 Petticoat Junction 2 Mary Tyler Moore 2 Newhart then they do a DECADES show for the day in history..2 Ed Sullivans...2 Cavetts..if you look at the programs maybe you can find channel..
192 has Archie and Kotter and Maude and old Johnny Carsons that are good. Maude had John Wayne on and ragged on Nixon to him..pretty funny...
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)I'll do a search for Dick Cavatt. I love watching some of the old TV shows. All in the Family in particular is timeless, funny as ever.
itcfish
(1,828 posts)We now have TV programs like The Kardashians, Duck Dynasty and The Real Wives of Beverly Hills. (so sad) I find today's TV programs are just an insult to every American's intelligence.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)I said Burton/Cavett was splendid and a treat to watch....as folks used to be so eloquent...2019 is the complaint I have..
itcfish
(1,828 posts)I was being sarcastic and agree with you 100%
milestogo
(16,829 posts)PatSeg
(47,501 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I was in junior high during the Watergate hearings and watched as much coverage as I could, before and after school. Seemingly every time Daniel Ellsberg's name came up, the word "psychiatrist" was attached.
I remember it was his psychiatrist and something unlawful happened but for the spirit of this thread I'm not going to look it up. It takes two to be embarrassed and I don't feel shamed for not remembering every detail of something from that age.
UTUSN
(70,711 posts)Zorro
(15,740 posts)and the information will be shocking to the nation.
Of course it won't be shocking to DUers, but it should answer the question as to whether Trump is an active Russian asset or just a useful idiot. I suspect it may be the latter, but I could be surprised.
As an aside, Neil Sheehan, the NYT reporter who was provided the Pentagon Papers by Ellsberg, wrote what I consider the definitive book on the Vietnam War -- A Bright Shining Lie: John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam. Ellsberg, Sheehan, and Vann were all well acquainted, and their relationships are described in this extraordinary book. Very highly recommended.
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Remember it ? Oh yeah.
UTUSN
(70,711 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)The information out sharing it with various leaders in Congress and apparently many of the copies were made in congressional offices. Also the material had to do with policies and never compromised the safety of military in the field.
elleng
(130,974 posts)which is around now.
maybe i'll watch it again.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Two thumbs up ( a nod to Siskal and Ebert)
yonder
(9,667 posts)From that account, they seemed to be very interested in bringing some light to that story.
Was it because of protecting the public interest or selling more papers? Why does it seem so different today?
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)His latest book is Doomsday Machine, one of the most frightening rundowns of the nuclear weapon world we live under.
UTUSN
(70,711 posts)majdrfrtim
(318 posts)Please!
jalan48
(13,870 posts)lies about the Vietnam War and helping to bring it to an end.
UTUSN
(70,711 posts)I think it's all coming out. If Trump was going to stop it he would have needed to do it at the beginning.
dlk
(11,569 posts)The Vietnam war changed our country forever.
watoos
(7,142 posts)I hope this Barr guy isn't a Judas, I freaking don't trust him.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)I'm one of the "old ones" too!?!?!??????
deurbano
(2,895 posts)I remember he said the war was already a done deal... and that presidents first decide to go to war, then find the justification. (Weapons of mass destruction...)
broiles
(1,367 posts)and was arrested along with others. He said that the
deputies were the nicest who had ever arrested him. My husband got him out of jail. My husband ask me to snap a picture of the two of them, I messed up and cut their heads off.
IncaRoads
(97 posts)Liddy had his photo taken outside of his psych's office.
What a fucking lunatic.
triron
(22,007 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)He was and is a hero. There have been a few similar heroes in recent years who, in my view, have been unaccountably vilified.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)...newspapers so I could actually hold that piece of history in my hands. I'm sure I still have it in a box somewhere.
Today I really feel like we turned a corner with the revelations from McCabe's interview with Nicolle Wallace, his conversation in the green room with members of her panel, and then her panel discussion after the interview.
The look on Frank Figluzzi's face was something to behold.
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Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Ellsberg managed to somehow do all this *without* sharing our primo secrets with Red China and then defecting to Moscow...