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What's it called on my part, (my being) on DU hours every day, supposedly "up" on things, yet it took the hit job on DiFi to make me aware of the "Justice Democrats." Bernie and AOC didn't bother me, (I) have even liked a lot how AOC drives the Faux Propaganda Network more nuts than they are. (they) Don't "bother me" because I've always believed that our Big Tent already includes all the idealism that our even-purer members can bring.
But the ploy on DiFi struck home with me. At 72 I've been through the few-but-always-there wing that is *more* fired up, always for the Latest-Thing, more idealistic, purer, better than all of the rest of us. My own generation was laudable for anti-Vietnam, but also with our delusion that we could throw humanity's past out and make everything up like nothing and nobody before.
Yeah, we were right about one sliver of things (how wrong our country was about Vietnam), but we were wrong in our arrogance about other things.
So our Purist Idealist wing has always been with us and it is part of us, a beautiful part of us, but always with that arrogance we've got, always telling us that our Democratic agenda ain't good enough.
Here's our Democratic agenda: Civil Rights; social justice; civil liberties; caretaking the planet. Why ain't that good enough (not a question).
So my generation had its animus towards the military (McGOVERN hid his military excellent record when it might have helped). Then the ones who liked Hugo CHAVEZ, and the Greens and the NADER. And now come the Justice Democrats. And the hit job on DiFi hit home for me who have seen this too often in my 72 years. No, dear Justice-ites, you aren't the first or the last of everything, and you gave yourselves away by posting that your answer is "new leadership." New leadership will always come, but in the short run you are throwing valued leaders out in favor of the troglodyte Repukes, setting yourselves back by generations. It's always about draining away our best chances to win.
We're big enough for everybody.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Democrats
Justice Democrats is an American progressive political action committee[3][4] founded on January 23, 2017, by Kyle Kulinski of Secular Talk, Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks, and former leadership from the 2016 Bernie Sanders presidential campaign. Uygur and Kulinski are no longer affiliated with the group. Alexandra Rojas became executive director of the organization in January 2017. The organization formed as a result of the 2016 United States presidential election and has a stated goal of reforming the Democratic Party by running "a unified campaign to replace every corporate-backed member of Congress" and rebuild the Democratic Party from "scratch" starting in the 2018 congressional midterm elections.[5][6]
Justice Democrats describes its views as being held by most Americans, but deemed "politically impossible" by the current political establishment because of systemic political corruption.[7][8] They comment that as all campaigns need donations and that candidates who hold policies viewed as unfavorable by corporate interests and wealthy individuals will be denied funding by corporations. Therefore the system actually ends up forcing politicians to change their policies to suit the current business environment.[9][10]
In the 2018 elections, 26 of the 79 candidates endorsed by Justice Democrats won their respective primary elections. Seven of these candidates won in the general election: Raúl Grijalva, Ro Khanna, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Pramila Jayapal. ... ....
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manor321
(3,344 posts)They demand absolute purity in the Democratic Party while ignoring Republicans. Thus the stunt with Feinstein.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Not Aimed at Passing Right Now": Green New Deal Agitators Admit They're Not Interested in Immediate Climate Action
That is what has been happening with self-proclaimed champions of the Green New Deal and its principal activist backers, the Sunrise Movement. On Friday, February 22, a group of activists organized a number of children to show up at the San Francisco office of California Senator Diane Feinstein to deliver to her their demands that she vote Yes on the Green New Deal (GND). The Sunrise Movement then released a highly-edited 2-minute clip of the groups interaction with Sen. Feinstein - with whom, I might mention, they did not bother making an appointment despite having planned it on their own calendar - to make it appear that Fenstein was a grouchy old lady yelling at kids to get off her lawn.
But then, somebody on Twitter - specifically, Mediaites Tommy Christopher - decided to do the job too many in our mainstream media can no longer be troubled to do: post the full video of the entire time Feinstein spent with Sunrise/GND activists, in six two-minute-and-twenty-second increments (must be Twitters video time limit). In Part 5, after the crowd had started to leave, we find this nugget.
Here, we hear a GND/Sunrise activists - one of the adults in the group that organized the children - shockingly admit the truth: the version of Green New Deal they want Feinstein and other members of Congress to sign on to is not actually a thing that is meant to pass. I think the thing is that this particular resolution isnt something thats aimed at passing right now, obviously, she says. She then goes on to say that the point of voting on their version of the GND is to show the world what we really need.
www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2019/2/23/not-aimed-at-passing-right-now-green-new-deal-agitators-admit-theyre-not-interested-in-immediate-climate-action
shanny
(6,709 posts)is going to pass right now. Um, duh? We have this Senate, and this preznit. I don't see anything wrong with taking a position "to show the world what we really need." Especially when we DO really need it.
Me.
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As there is a tactic out there which uses issues to fundraise where the solution is not actually the goal. This episode was a set-up and a dishonest one at that. It was admitted that the solution was not the primary focus. And as to the issue being an important one, of course, it is and lots of people are ringing that bell and have no need to ring a fake bell.
Me.
(35,454 posts)to say that a solution was/is not the primary focus of this group.
Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)there is no chance of passage. I feel the same about Medicare for all. Run on fixing the ACA, possibly lowering the Medicare age and a public option. Let's not put targets on our backs.
shanny
(6,709 posts)They called Obama a socialist for dawg's sake. Also too Kenyan, Muslim, unAmerican, non-American, anti-American, blah blah blah.
We need to stop giving two sh!ts about what the pukes will do or say--the poor little snowflakes--and focus on what our side wants. And you know what? Bolder is better, because we've been running on incrementalism and moderation for decades and (aside from Obama)it is not working so well. Is it?
Income inequality is a disaster and getting worse daily. Skyrocketing debt and income stagnation are unchanged. Automation is threatening jobs across the economy and across the world. Climate change is LITERALLY an extinction threat, if left un-addressed.
Bold is needed, to fire up our side and especially young voters--the ones we always complain don't participate enough--they are the ones who will inherit the earth we are busily trashing.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)for her being Speaker....
Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)Change a losing game (as we did in 2018).
Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)sheshe2
(83,941 posts)I read that yesterday and it was a good read.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)but I am beginning to view the Justice Democrats with more and more suspicion. Why do they seem more interested in attacking Democrats than in uniting against a common enemy?
Why didn't the parents of those children explain to them that the Democrats in the Senate don't control anything and can't get any legislation passed?
betsuni
(25,678 posts)is a concept beyond comprehension, more difficult to understand than space science or making it all the through "Ulysses" or keeping the Nixon administration criminals straight in "All The President's Men" (I saw it the other day and no matter how many times I've seen it, get confused because there are so many of them).
RandySF
(59,364 posts)betsuni
(25,678 posts)Everything Republicans are responsible for they project onto Democrats, as if there's a psychological blind spot. Why the lust to make Democrats the scapegoat when obviously the Republican Party is a perverse, enormously powerful movement conservative/Taliban-like/organized crime organization, highly organized and funded and single-minded in their war on America?
I suppose it's easier to take mild-mannered bleeding heart liberals who've worked their entire lives to achieve equality, better health care and education and opportunities for everyone, protecting the environment, funding and protecting the social safety net, etc, and turn them into cartoon villains.
shanny
(6,709 posts)is whether candidates take corporate cash. I personally believe that is a very worthwhile idea, and I also believe that we NEED our left flank.
UTUSN
(70,755 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)Indykatie
(3,697 posts)We have a left wing of the party that is not aligned with Justice Dems though JD tries to pretend they own the progressive space. They need to spend more time fighting Republicans instead of Dems. I'm still fuming about JD, AOC and Bernie openly campaigning against Sharice Davids in her KS primary race.
Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)What about good candidates already in Congress? Are you going to run against them?
We wont run against candidates that fully support the Justice Democrats platform, but we also know that challenging incumbents in primaries is the best way to make them start to listen to people over corporate donors.
Here is their entire platform.
https://www.justicedemocrats.com/issues/
Baltimike
(4,148 posts)brush
(53,922 posts)so the Justice Democrats are tilting at windmills going after her 6 years from her having to run again if she chooses.
Who in the world dreams up these publicity stunts against someone who isn't even close to having to run for re-election?
UTUSN
(70,755 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)Those individuals should be the most progressive and whatever you think of Di-Fi, she isn't that.
brush
(53,922 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)They want to rebuild the Democratic Party.
Their idea of what the Democratic Party should be or nothing.
Like the Bernie or bust crowd.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Obama didn't either, if you recall.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)R B Garr
(16,993 posts)Cenk Uyger is an ex Republican. Went from an anti-Democrat Republican to an anti-Democrat progressive, all with $4 million from a Republican donor. Amazing work there!
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Any one who is not them needs to be gotten rid of.
Well we are a big party. They can join and work with other Dems or they can pound sand as far as I am concerned.
brush
(53,922 posts)in that history. Let's not kid ourselves.
emulatorloo
(44,192 posts)At companies.
Actual Corporations are severely limited by campaign finance laws as to what they can donate.
As you know, if you work at say The University of Colorado, you are required to list your employer when you donate. Consequently Open Secrets lists your individual donation lumped under the University the University of Colorado.
But it is not the University of Colorados money or donation.
It is your money and your donation.
Open Secrets does spell this out, but not very well.
So I see tons of confusion and jumping to conclusions about so and so takes corporate cash from people who dont get that how individual donations are reported on Open Secrets.
So somebody makes a meme that Candidate X is in the pocket of Big University!1! and dessiminates it on twitter etc. No, candidate X got a lot of donations from real people who work at CU.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)betsuni
(25,678 posts)when the old emperor recognizes his former teacher who is being paraded through the streets as a counter-revolutionary enemy of the people or whatever, and tells the young commie that the man is a good man. "Join us, comrade, or fuck off" is the response.
mercuryblues
(14,547 posts)They want to rebuild the Democratic Party.
If they succeed in their goal, where will Democrats go? Seriously, look how far right the R's have spun and how many are defecting the party. What is left is the base that demand to be fed. In comes trump with the raw meat.
They have some good ideas. The thing is, those ideas are not exclusive to them, many Democrats have also espoused them, before they came along. They also forget there is an opposition party who they need to pass bills. Attacking people in your own party is not going to get them far. Compromise with the opposition is a neccessity.
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)Their purpose is to damage our party.
brush
(53,922 posts)the trump admin yet they target Democrats.
comradebillyboy
(10,177 posts)or Our Revolution.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)gets suspicion from me.
I also don't like Democrats targeting other Democrats for not agreeing with them. The Republicans need to be the ones being used exclusively for TARGET PRACTICE...not 'more conservative' members of your own caucus.
It's COMMON SENSE.
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)Whoever is behind this effort is certainly not on the up and up.
ripcord
(5,547 posts)Pelosi needs to exercise her authority and deal them, pull some committee memberships and transfer some offices to closets. The sad thing is we really don't need a fringe group manufacturing a division, especially this election.
Blue Owl
(50,523 posts)n/t