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Stinky The Clown

(67,799 posts)
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:21 PM Feb 2019

For me, the biggest surprise in today's hearings had nothing to do with Cohen or Trump.

It was the revelation that Elijah Cummings and Mark Meadows are close personal friends.

That made me feel good. Made me feel more kindly toward Meadows. Not his politics, but the man. This sort of seemingly incongruous relationship between two highly partisan politicians was far more common when comity was the way the Congress worked. Things were no less hard fought and partisan, but it wasn't based in pure meanness as it is today.

Yup. That revelation made me feel good. Don't take that as any sort of endorsement of anything political about Meadows; we could not get farther apart. I'm just glad for the rare hint of humanity.

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For me, the biggest surprise in today's hearings had nothing to do with Cohen or Trump. (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 OP
Reminds me......... MyOwnPeace Feb 2019 #1
I loved it when Boehner did that film with Obama toward the end of his term about how to handle monmouth4 Feb 2019 #2
Meadows was boasting that he has black nieces and nephews so malaise Feb 2019 #3
It is strange. I see strange dynamics among blended race families in my county. Blue_true Feb 2019 #6
Good point malaise Feb 2019 #11
I think it also points to the fact that once someone actually gets to know a person of another race llmart Feb 2019 #14
Back when Dennis Miller was funny, he once said, CrispyQ Feb 2019 #15
Dennis Miller is the only right-wing loudmouth who still makes me shake my head sadly. Aristus Feb 2019 #16
He did a show in Aspen once & had an oxygen tank on the stage with him. CrispyQ Feb 2019 #18
Miller had a emotional shock with 911 and went full winger thinking GWB was the ones uponit7771 Feb 2019 #21
This is common human behavior uponit7771 Feb 2019 #20
Yes, people are very tribal. Meadows nieces and nephews are from his tribe. nt Blue_true Feb 2019 #23
I found his comments very strange. secondwind Mar 2019 #26
i wold compare it to Strom Thurmond taking financial care of his black daughter while JI7 Mar 2019 #28
And Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch PatSeg Feb 2019 #4
Orrin Hatch helped Ted through his heavy drinking period. Blue_true Feb 2019 #7
And Hatch was very distraught PatSeg Feb 2019 #10
As I understand it, murielm99 Mar 2019 #29
I'm not feeling it. UTUSN Feb 2019 #5
The pos is a racist and un-American trump supporter rockfordfile Feb 2019 #8
Cummings is behaving like a leader bigtree Feb 2019 #9
Cummings has a giant heart and looks for the good in people lostnfound Feb 2019 #12
Bothered me a lot however zentrum Feb 2019 #13
I disagree. I think these friendships are part of the dems problem. CrispyQ Feb 2019 #17
GOPers are anti-democracy Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2019 #19
I don't think the congresswoman mentioned Meadow's name Doitnow Feb 2019 #22
You must have missed his performance at CPAC today. OliverQ Feb 2019 #24
I have seen enough True Blue American Mar 2019 #25
I think the Credit in this case 100 percent belongs to Elijah Cummings and just the type of person JI7 Mar 2019 #27

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
1. Reminds me.........
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:29 PM
Feb 2019

of when PRESIDENT OBAMA and Speaker John Boehner were good buds - perhaps just sharing a smoke, but still..............

monmouth4

(9,705 posts)
2. I loved it when Boehner did that film with Obama toward the end of his term about how to handle
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:50 PM
Feb 2019

retirement. It was well done and they both had fun..

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
6. It is strange. I see strange dynamics among blended race families in my county.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 10:44 PM
Feb 2019

What I have come to believe is that people may have hard racial feelings toward a stranger of another race, but not a relative that is at least half that other race (in the case of most African Americans, if they have a child with a person that is white (<90%), the child will likely be mostly White (<50%) because most AA that descended from slaves are already mixed). I think Meadows sees his nieces and nephews at family functions and they are not others, they are family, so his harder racial feelings get set aside.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
14. I think it also points to the fact that once someone actually gets to know a person of another race
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:34 AM
Feb 2019

or ethnicity their perceptions may begin to change. The change may be incremental and not a complete reversal, but this is why it's important to note that prejudices can go away when people who live, work, befriend the "others" begin to see that most humans are more alike on a very basic level than they are different.

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
15. Back when Dennis Miller was funny, he once said,
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:42 AM
Feb 2019

"It's stupid to hate people for the color of their skin, when if you spend just five minutes talking to them, you'll find plenty of valid reasons to hate them."

Racism viewed through the eyes of a misanthrope.

Aristus

(66,369 posts)
16. Dennis Miller is the only right-wing loudmouth who still makes me shake my head sadly.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:46 AM
Feb 2019

He was once a passionate, outspoken (of course, it's Dennis Miller) advocate for liberals and liberal policy. His views were always tinted with wry humor and more than a little cynicism, but he once made no bones about the fact that it's conservatives who are the bad guys.

He did a hard-turn to the right after 9/11, and never came back. I shouldn't have been surprised by that; my dad did the same thing, although I was relieved to learn before he died in 2009 that he had cast his last Presidential vote ever for Barack Obama.

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
18. He did a show in Aspen once & had an oxygen tank on the stage with him.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 12:05 PM
Feb 2019
When the audience gave him some shit for it he laughed & said, "The get a fucking atmosphere!" I was sorry to see him go to the dark side, too.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
21. Miller had a emotional shock with 911 and went full winger thinking GWB was the ones
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 01:12 PM
Feb 2019

... to protect him... Much like Nichole Wallace had when she found out Russians were involved with electing Red Don
Miller never came back around

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
26. I found his comments very strange.
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 05:03 AM
Mar 2019

“Very few people know this, BUT I have blah blah”

Why few people? And why use the word BUT instead of the word THAT?

JI7

(89,249 posts)
28. i wold compare it to Strom Thurmond taking financial care of his black daughter while
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 05:08 AM
Mar 2019

campaigning for segregation and other racist policy.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
7. Orrin Hatch helped Ted through his heavy drinking period.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 10:46 PM
Feb 2019

I heard accounts that he was always there with a shoulder for Ted to lean on when needed. Bizzarre given that they were polar opposites politically.

PatSeg

(47,442 posts)
10. And Hatch was very distraught
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 11:15 PM
Feb 2019

when Kennedy died.

Yeah, couldn't have been more opposite in every way.

When I saw Orrin Hatch praising Trump as the "greatest president", all I could think is "What would Ted say?" I probably said out loud to the TV screen at the time!

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
13. Bothered me a lot however
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:24 AM
Feb 2019

...that Cummings went out of his way at the end of the hearing to say Meadows is "one of his best friends".

This gesture lends weight to Meadows' so-called point---(I paraphrase)--'Cohen is lying about Trump's racism 'cuz look, he hired this here Black Woman"---and by extension so did Cohen lie about many things. It helps paint Cohen as a liar when he said Trump is a cheat, a con and ---a racist. We all know he is!

Meadows, as I understand it is an ardent Trump supporter. I don't understand friendships like this--given that Trump is a demonstrated racist and if Meadows supports him.....that's a problem. I might also see the humanity in him but would never ever be his "best friend" nor undercut a Black Woman who called him out.

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
17. I disagree. I think these friendships are part of the dems problem.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 12:02 PM
Feb 2019

They view their counterparts across the aisle as basically decent human beings with differences in opinion. That may have been the case in the past, but not any longer. The GOP actively works against representative government. They believe & have pushed policies that prove this belief, that only some people deserve to vote - mostly white, rich people. The dems need to see the GOP as the enemy & not just colleagues with a different opinion. This is a fight for a government of, by, & for the People.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,346 posts)
19. GOPers are anti-democracy
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 01:04 PM
Feb 2019

They've given us plenty of evidence that they want to select their own voters and will do what it takes to gain and keep power.

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
22. I don't think the congresswoman mentioned Meadow's name
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 02:05 PM
Feb 2019

when she was commenting, so I don't understand why he took it so personally unless----. Also, why did he have to mention that so few people know he has a racially mixed family?

I wonder how the situation would have finished up with a GOP chairperson. Thank you, Mr. Cummings!

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
25. I have seen enough
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 03:37 AM
Mar 2019

From Meadows to know the woman should have never apologized. He just proved what a jerk he is, but so was the woman who allowed herself to be used.

Sorry,for me wrong is who ever commits the wrong.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
27. I think the Credit in this case 100 percent belongs to Elijah Cummings and just the type of person
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 05:07 AM
Mar 2019

he is.

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