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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen does Pelosi introduce a house bill that can prevent Trump pardoning any trump related
convicted or charged perps? If this is possible to do at a congressional level, why wouldn't she she not do it?
Let Mitch McConnel sit on it in the Senate....
This would be a non-binding "sense of congress" resolution
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)No bill can override it.
hlthe2b
(102,277 posts)While it is unlikely the pardon would be overturned, it could have implications for the President's own legal liability.
Farmer-Rick
(10,170 posts)If he does either in the commission of a crime, he can be held accountable.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Or a court case declaring such a pardon to be unconstitutional.
A mere bill, assuming youd get the house to pass it, the senate to pass it, and Trump to sign it, would quickly be ruled unconstitutional.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)I guess that is what I was trying to say
Again let Mitch McConnel continue to defend trump's and other's wrong doing
Kaleva
(36,301 posts)Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Remember he can't pardon anyone convicted in the southern district of NY.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)He can't pardon state court convictions.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)Not so. SDNY is a federal district court and subject to the President's pardon power.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)But there must be plenty of state crimes that can be prosecuted.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)and the NY state AG has already stated that investigations are in progress.
The full name of SDNY is Federal District Court for the Southern District of New York.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)SDNY is a federal court so he can most certainly pardon anyone convicted by them. The NY AG, on the other hand, can investigate that entire putrid family until she gets to the bottom of everything and there isn't a damn thing he can do about it.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)It is the same as any other federal district court. Only state prosecutions are pardon proof, so SDNY would have to hand off its evidence to the NY Attorney General or local prosecutors who would have to indict under state law.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)He will pardon everyone including an attempt to pardon himself. He may leave early and let Pence pardon him as well.
Trump pardons Pence and resigns
Pence pardons Trump.
The Ford pardon set a horrible precedent (I know it is supported by an earlier court case). If Pence's only act is to pardon Trump immediately after receiving his own pardon, it might be really difficult to get any traction on pursuing either.
I think that the 5th Amendment is still open for anyone even after they receive a pardon. You still have state and civil liability.