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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 02:50 PM Feb 2019

Pete Souza: Obama Shows How You Talk to a Dictator.

Pete Souza tells a story about Obama meeting Putin in Normandy, France in 2014:

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The Guardian

“I wasn’t supposed to be here for this picture. It was taken on the 70th anniversary of the Normandy landings – all the heads of state had gathered there and were coming out of an impromptu luncheon. The official photographers from each country had been kicked out – we were all supposed to leave the building. But I have a knack of making myself small and sticking around.

The shot shows the kind of interaction President Obama had with President Putin during his tenure. It was 2014, a particularly tense time between the two countries. You can see in the facial expressions and gestures that this was a very serious conversation. There are interpreters stood behind them, but I get the impression from Putin’s face that he understood exactly what was being said in English.

I was within earshot. I can’t recount specifically what they said, but I knew the subject matter. Can I say what it was? It was about … some of Russia’s actions in the world. Let’s leave it at that.

This conversation went on for a while: they weren’t thinking about me. To them, I was just one of many people in the room, coming and going in different directions. I started out shooting horizontally and tighter, and then switched to vertical, backing up to show their entire bodies. Compositionally, that seemed to show the body language better.”


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Pete Souza: Obama Shows How You Talk to a Dictator. (Original Post) kpete Feb 2019 OP
Good one. riversedge Feb 2019 #1
THIS!! Drum Feb 2019 #2
IQ45 prefers to take on a subservient toad-like posture. sinkingfeeling Feb 2019 #3
pretty much RT Atlanta Feb 2019 #11
Putin is literally a little man. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2019 #4
Rumor has it he is about saidsimplesimon Mar 2019 #41
That was 2 years after Obama vented his frustration with Putin on Syria DFW Feb 2019 #5
Compared to this? mercuryblues Feb 2019 #6
That makes me want to puke for so many reasons. erronis Feb 2019 #10
You're off-base here; dRumpf should be treated as a war hero now.... lastlib Mar 2019 #37
Or this Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #12
where does trump get his suits??? dixiegrrrrl Feb 2019 #31
It's a hard look to do too. lunatica Mar 2019 #39
If there were such an ad, it would have to be for wearing baseball caps backwards dixiegrrrrl Mar 2019 #48
Look how low the chairs are to equalize the height of the two men. Mr.Bill Feb 2019 #13
You're right. IQ45's chair is 1.5-2 inches lower. Ilsa Feb 2019 #21
I think the chairs are low simply because they're in Vietnam. Rabrrrrrr Feb 2019 #23
Chairs tend to be extremely low in Viet Nam. A typical street-side cafe that caters to Tanuki Mar 2019 #43
"kiddie patio set" - I didn't want to be derisive in my first post, but yes, Rabrrrrrr Mar 2019 #45
Just look how comfortable a real president looks even in a low chair, Tanuki Mar 2019 #46
Donald always looks like he's either trying to be Alpha Male (and failing) Rabrrrrrr Mar 2019 #47
"meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow" NBachers Feb 2019 #18
Very powerful photo. Dem2theMax Feb 2019 #7
yes, that is a powerful photograph (Soza is an amazing photographer. Let us praise CharleyDog Feb 2019 #27
When our president was not a Russian asset. Bittersweet. Kind of Blue Feb 2019 #8
This was just after Obama guzzled a can of sardines too... PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #9
LBJ used to pull people in close by their lapels and then fart. nt CharleyDog Feb 2019 #28
I remember that photo very well. Damn I miss having a real president. nt Hekate Feb 2019 #14
Again and again, Souza rules. mahannah Feb 2019 #15
Just a little LBJ-esque Leith Feb 2019 #16
Thinking that I hope LBJ popped a Tic Tac before that conversation. NT Grammy23 Feb 2019 #25
I'm sure he didn't lunatica Mar 2019 #40
pootin knew EXACTLY what President Obama was saying DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #17
Yes but Trump and Kim both have big guts Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2019 #19
This one is even better. brer cat Feb 2019 #20
Interesting. Two different occasions. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #32
One of my favorites. 3catwoman3 Mar 2019 #35
No smiles from Putin when Obama is around. ffr Feb 2019 #22
Putin also seems to have a thicker heel on his shoe. Does he perhaps have lifts in his shoes? Grammy23 Feb 2019 #24
some people (especially military) wear the thicker hard soles.... lastlib Mar 2019 #38
The body language tells you everything you need to know. calimary Feb 2019 #26
we can only see one arm of Obama's. The arm we can see is jutted back and we CharleyDog Feb 2019 #29
Obama has big hands. BadgerMom Feb 2019 #30
LBJ did the same thing with the Dixiecrats. Dawson Leery Feb 2019 #33
I think this is video of it OneCrazyDiamond Feb 2019 #34
Putin needs to be told off just like that! oasis Mar 2019 #36
Putin has his fist on his chest in a very defensive posture. Nitram Mar 2019 #42
I miss Obama every day forklift Mar 2019 #44

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
41. Rumor has it he is about
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 06:09 AM
Mar 2019

5'2" without his boots, Medevev reported to be 5'4", lots of photo and video evidence available on the net.

DFW

(54,384 posts)
5. That was 2 years after Obama vented his frustration with Putin on Syria
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 03:03 PM
Feb 2019

In 2012, he said he tried to get Putin to listen to reason on Syria, and Putin said not interested, to Obama's great frustration.

erronis

(15,258 posts)
10. That makes me want to puke for so many reasons.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 03:38 PM
Feb 2019

Why can't we have a pResident that even knows decorum?

He's one of those people that shows his brain functioning (or not) on his face. Can't be a real dealer with that type of visual presentation.

Dump is obviously unable to really interact with anyone, even another wannabe dictator. Did daddy Fred spoil his ability to be somewhat empathetic (rhetorical).

Obviously his attention is on the next bugger. Does Ho Chi Min city have some good joints? (From my recollection, yes.)

lastlib

(23,234 posts)
37. You're off-base here; dRumpf should be treated as a war hero now....
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 01:59 AM
Mar 2019

After all, just like John McCain, he got shot down in Hanoi........ *snort!*


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lunatica

(53,410 posts)
39. It's a hard look to do too.
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 02:15 AM
Mar 2019

Where does someone shop to look sloppy?

I don’t recall any ad that claimed their clothes were guaranteed to make you look stupid.

Mr.Bill

(24,292 posts)
13. Look how low the chairs are to equalize the height of the two men.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 04:03 PM
Feb 2019

And actually, Trump's chair seems to be lower than Kim's.

Totally symbolic of how we are being played on the world stage.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
21. You're right. IQ45's chair is 1.5-2 inches lower.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 05:05 PM
Feb 2019

They tried to make them look like identical chairs, but the legs have different curves affecting height.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,349 posts)
23. I think the chairs are low simply because they're in Vietnam.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 05:12 PM
Feb 2019

All the furniture is smaller/lower in Japan, and I imagine it's the same in Vietnam. I bang my knees on tables in Japan all the time because things are built for an average height that is much less than average height of Americans.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
43. Chairs tend to be extremely low in Viet Nam. A typical street-side cafe that caters to
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 11:51 AM
Mar 2019

a local clientele usually has little plastic chairs that resemble a kiddie patio set here in the U.S. An upscale venue that hosts the international set would have more conventionally sized furniture. I definitely think 45 was being punked, but with plausible deniability, as in, Oh, that wasn't intentional, everybody knows the chairs are short over here!

Rabrrrrrr

(58,349 posts)
45. "kiddie patio set" - I didn't want to be derisive in my first post, but yes,
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 12:06 PM
Mar 2019

so many times in Japan I've felt like I'm sitting on kiddie furniture.

Or on the subways, people who are are holding on to the straps, and I'm holding on to the bar that's holding the straps because the straps are too low...

And you could be right about the punking - they surely have larger chairs to cater to westerners/tall people, but likely chose to go with the regular sized ones just to annoy Donald. Pretty sad when an evil dictator shitpot gets more deference than the American president because the evil dictator shitpot is more respected.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
46. Just look how comfortable a real president looks even in a low chair,
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 12:24 PM
Mar 2019

at home in his own body, a citizen of the world:

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(With Anthony Bourdain in in Hanoi)

Rabrrrrrr

(58,349 posts)
47. Donald always looks like he's either trying to be Alpha Male (and failing)
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 12:35 PM
Mar 2019

or his utter boredom and disinterest and being totally out of his league comes out loud and clear. The latter in the case of the photo of him and Kim on the chairs.

Oh, and how I miss Bourdain... damn, what a loss to lose his voice. Brilliant. I rarely care much about celebrity deaths or mourn them, but he's one of the few whose death still hurts.

Obama always knew how to act and how to comport himself and be an adult. For the most part, even Dubya knew how to be presidential; though he goofed it numerous times, and occasionally looked like a moron, but still, he understood the role and the decorum needed to be the president of the U.S. He totally fucked the country, sure; but he still maintained a certain non-embarrassing dignity and decorum that showed he understood the magnitude and importance of the office he held. For Donald, it's just another thing that gets in the way of his narcissism and whenever people aren't talking about him, he gets bored and tunes out, even when it's negotiating nuclear stuff with an evil dangerous dictatorial shitpot.

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
7. Very powerful photo.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 03:27 PM
Feb 2019

You can feel the energy, and you can tell that President Obama is owning that moment.

Oh, how I miss having adults in the room.

CharleyDog

(757 posts)
27. yes, that is a powerful photograph (Soza is an amazing photographer. Let us praise
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 07:23 PM
Feb 2019

photographers!) Obama was one of the greatest presidents, as time and evidence shows more and more.

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
9. This was just after Obama guzzled a can of sardines too...
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 03:37 PM
Feb 2019

Putin never forgot that tongue lashing, I'll tell ya...

Leith

(7,809 posts)
16. Just a little LBJ-esque
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 04:11 PM
Feb 2019

in a good way, I mean. There are better pics, but this will give you an idea:



 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
17. pootin knew EXACTLY what President Obama was saying
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 04:11 PM
Feb 2019

Look at that body language. pootin was having his ass handed to him by a REAL LEADER and he knew it.

pootin doesn't need an interpreter. pootin speaks perfect English. Check out this interview with Platon, the only photographer to ever get a portrait of pootin.

"With Putin, I think that was the first moment I ever had to deal with this sense of intimidation. He walks in with this giant entourage that makes P. Diddy look like Mickey Mouse.

I nervously said: "Mr. President, it's a great honor to be in your fine country. I have a question for you. Before we take pictures, I want you to know that I'm an Englishman, and I love the Beatles. And I would like to know if you like the Beatles."

He says, "I love the Beatles."

I said, "Oh, my God, I didn't know you spoke English."

He said, "I speak perfect English."

I said, "Well, who's your favorite Beatle?"

And he said, "Paul."

"Wow. What's your favorite song? Is it 'Back in the USSR'?"

He said, "No, it's 'Yesterday.' Think about it."

Read the rest:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/brief/211981/platon

ffr

(22,670 posts)
22. No smiles from Putin when Obama is around.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 05:09 PM
Feb 2019

That's just the fact of our adversarial relationship. When Putin's smiling, he's winning.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
24. Putin also seems to have a thicker heel on his shoe. Does he perhaps have lifts in his shoes?
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 05:35 PM
Feb 2019

A guy interested in increasing his “presence” who is vertically challenged might want to appear taller. This certainly would be true when you know you’ll be meeting with a tall, slim guy like Obama. It didn’t work, by the way. Heh, heh, heh.....

lastlib

(23,234 posts)
38. some people (especially military) wear the thicker hard soles....
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 02:04 AM
Mar 2019

...because it makes them walk with a more authoritative sound.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
26. The body language tells you everything you need to know.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 05:54 PM
Feb 2019

President Obama was clearly the Alpha here, using his height advantage to tower over AND bend INTO Putin’s space. Putin, on the other hand, is slumped, chin in, not standing tall and ramrod straight, (as we’ve repeat seen him with trump) eyes lowered, in a clearly defensive and submissive posture. And look at his right hand. Pulled in and upwards across his chest, as though subconsciously protective. A gesture that telegraphs him wanting to put a block up against Obama.

Sometimes people communicate clearly, with their bodies and postures, how they’re REALLY feeling - eve when their words say something different. This shot suggests to me that Putin did NOT feel like the Alpha. And didn’t even feel like trying.

CharleyDog

(757 posts)
29. we can only see one arm of Obama's. The arm we can see is jutted back and we
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 07:31 PM
Feb 2019

as viewer, imagine Obama has both arm back and is pushing he chest into Putin that says, "you want a piece of me?" A challenge, "if you want to play this game, PuTin, I can take you on if you want, and deliver some pain."

 

forklift

(401 posts)
44. I miss Obama every day
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 12:02 PM
Mar 2019

What a buffoon we elected right after one of the greatest presidents ...........

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