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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPresident Clinton said that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. Is
that a good way for Democrats to approach the subject? Can we put a great deal of force behind birth control so that unplanned pregnancies can be pretty much eliminated? That would reduce the number of abortions greatly. How do Republican voting women feel about pregnancy prevention? I don't see protesters targeting birth control.
Please don't flame me with "abortion is great and anyone should be able to do it for any reason at any stage of the pregnancy." I am not talking about that. We must realize that the abortion button is the button that causes many R's to vote that way even though they are ignorant about much and are being manipulated by the Money Powers so that they can continue taking their money.
I am mostly wondering about emphasizing the prevention of unwanted pregnancies in ways other than abortions that require procedures, etc.
What do you think? Do you know R's that would accept the pregnancy prevention approach?
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)but I'm not a woman, so I don't get the final word on it
MurrayDelph
(5,297 posts)As a man, I feel abortions should be
1 .Safe,
2. Legal,
3. None of my damned business
Moostache
(9,895 posts)The single issue voter on the right, especially the abortion only voter, is not concerned with logic, reason, consistency, fairness or rights. In the end, they are after one thing and one thing alone - control of a woman's body and the decisions she makes regarding it.
They do not care about saving lives or they would be adoptees and running special homes for expecting mothers without means to give birth and facilitate adoptions. They do none of that...they do NOT care about babies or lives of babies.
They do not care about women's health or safety or they would not be shutting down safe clinics and forcing women into horrific choices or severe economic hardship to seek abortion services. They do NOT care about women.
They are unreachable as voters. The proof of that assertion? Just LOOK at the current President*. He paid them lip service and then gave them judges hand picked for him by the Heritage Foundation.
These are people who want to punish women for having the temerity to be sexually active and outside of their own preconceived notions of how and when that is "proper". They want retribution on the women who do no believe a man or husband is a prerequisite for sexual activity.
If a "pro-lifer" gets in my face, the first question is "how many adopted babies do you have under your roof today?" When the answer is "none", I call them a hypocrite and disengage...there is nothing I am going to say to them to enlighten them or get them to vote in another manner.
athena
(4,187 posts)The right wing does not actually want to reduce the number of abortions. They just want to punish women for being sexually active outside of marriage. This is about controlling women; its not really about fetuses or babies.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)Some people figure out they can't afford a child. Sad but true.
athena
(4,187 posts)They would probably say that God would provide for any children born within marriage. I dont think these are deep-thinking people. Theyre against abortion because they think its dangerous to allow women to become sexually independent. They think that pregnancy is a good deterrent against women expressing their sexuality, as long as abortion and birth control are unavailable.
That's it, pretty much in a nutshell.
Wounded Bear
(58,660 posts)lilactime
(657 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,861 posts)Keep in mind that every single abortion that happens is the result of a man. Having sex with a woman. And not being responsible enough to prevent conception.
Contrary to what a lot of men (and some women) apparently think, abortions are not undertaken lightheartedly or casually. No woman has ever wandered near an abortion clinic and just walked in because she realized she'd forgotten to have an abortion.
Safe and legal ought to be a given. The rare part depends on several things, not the least is just how you want to define that word. But it starts by everyone having unfettered access to birth control. Good sex education for children. Keeping young people ignorant about just how babies are made does absolutely NOTHING to prevent them from having sex and babies. Nothing at all.
The other problem with people who oppose abortion is that they tend to think of all sex outside of marriage as sinful, and pregnancy is the appropriate punishment. Of course, only one gender can get pregnant. The other gender tends to get off scot-free.
I prefer to tell people that if they don't believe in abortion, then don't have one.
Brawndo
(535 posts)How about this as a policy, if you don't like abortion, don't get one. They need to learn to stop trying to legislate their morality onto others. Let them vote their "values", why would we even want them?
Squinch
(50,950 posts)of each woman."
Merlot
(9,696 posts)That comment was the number one reason that I didn't support her in the primaries.
BTW, republicans ultimate goal is to remove access to birth control so doubtful they would be onboard with this approach.
athena
(4,187 posts)Bill Clinton used that expression in 1996. Weird excuse for being against HRC two decades later.
Initech
(100,079 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)That should be the mantra. Fully fund womens health care.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)They block sex education which would teach young people about the ways to avoid pregnancy. They block the distribution of even condoms to young people. They pitch a fit when young women are given birth control. I can remember when a married woman had to get permission from her husband to get birth control and unmarried women found it almost impossible to get it. That is where the Republicans want us - back where it is hard to reliable prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Even if 100% of people understood how to prevent unwanted pregnancies that would still not eliminate the need for abortions. No birth control method works 100% of the time so no matter how dedicated a couple might be in using birth control there will be cases where an undesired pregnancy will happen.
In addition, there are cases where a wanted pregnancy results in health risks to the mother or the fetus is not viable and terminating the pregnancy is the best choice.
Then there are the cases of forced sex where the woman has no choice and an unwanted pregnancy results - not only do the Republicans want to force the woman to carry that fetus to term, they want to give the attackers parental rights to the child.
There is no way to compromise with a faction whose main goal is to control women's bodies to make them incubators for fetuses.