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dalton99a

(81,510 posts)
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 12:57 AM Mar 2019

An American got sick in Taiwan. He came back with a tale of the 'horrors of socialized medicine.'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/03/01/an-american-got-sick-taiwan-he-came-back-with-tale-horrors-socialized-medicine/
An American got sick in Taiwan. He came back with a tale of the ‘horrors of socialized medicine.’
By Eli Rosenberg
February 28 at 10:50 PM

Kevin Bozeat, a 25-year-old student, wrote about coming down with severe gastrointestinal symptoms while studying in Taiwan: stomach cramps, bouts of vomiting that would not abate and, perhaps worst of all, the inability to keep any fluids down.

Around 3 a.m., he decided it was time to go to the hospital for treatment, not knowing what to expect having never been to a hospital in Taiwan — a country that has a national health-care system, or as Bozeat wrote, “socialized medicine."

He was checked in and given IV fluids within 20 minutes of his arrival. Phlebotomists drew blood and the lab ran tests on it. Hospital techs performed an ultrasound to make sure he didn’t have gallstones or appendicitis. And eventually they diagnosed stomach flu, gave him two prescriptions and discharged him.

“Each day since I’ve gotten progressively better and am now pretty much back to normal,” Bozeat wrote. “The bill for the ER visit? .?.?. US $80.00.”

He sarcastically titled his tale “The Horrors of Socialized Medicine,” noting he didn’t even have health insurance — in Taiwan or the United States. If he had Taiwan’s national health insurance, his costs would have been a fraction of $80, he wrote.

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An American got sick in Taiwan. He came back with a tale of the 'horrors of socialized medicine.' (Original Post) dalton99a Mar 2019 OP
That was Obama's biggest crime SCantiGOP Mar 2019 #1
No, it was his tan suit. George II Mar 2019 #3
Yeah, the entire GOP went into contortions over that tan suit. PatrickforO Mar 2019 #10
I thought it was "allowing" his wife to wear a sleeveless gown packman Mar 2019 #19
It was a tossup between the tan suit and putting Grey Poupon on smirkymonkey Mar 2019 #23
When I was a kid we put mustard on our hamburgers, in fact my mother mixed some mustard... George II Mar 2019 #24
I don't really like mustard but.. cannabis_flower Mar 2019 #36
When I eat a burger again, I am going to have to try mustard on it. Blue_true Mar 2019 #50
Oh, don't leave out when he went over The Wall... JHB Mar 2019 #30
...and being black...... eom lastlib Mar 2019 #42
my sin, is the color of my skin. - ice cube. Kurt V. Mar 2019 #46
Not at all George, it was shooting hoops while left handed. nt Blue_true Mar 2019 #49
No: It was respecting, adoring and publicly loving his wife. lindysalsagal Mar 2019 #20
but socialized medicine means less money for socialized business Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2019 #2
Most big business quietly supports single payer lamsmy Mar 2019 #11
Truth. susanna Mar 2019 #13
"an important argument that Dems fail to make over and over again" Strelnikov_ Mar 2019 #21
Be assured, it's an ironic title...the gist of the thing is anything but. n/t Liberal In Texas Mar 2019 #4
Oh I really like your sign! May have to do that to one of mine. flying_wahini Mar 2019 #16
An opposite tale... BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #5
I have a question. Doreen Mar 2019 #6
Cost of living in Taipei is about the same as in Memphis, Tenn. dalton99a Mar 2019 #8
Whatever it is, they don't have to pay that amount kcr Mar 2019 #35
$80 there goes twice as far, so like $160 here mathematic Mar 2019 #48
K&R ck4829 Mar 2019 #7
Life Expectancy Dirty Socialist Mar 2019 #9
You would be correct. OnlinePoker Mar 2019 #27
Our ERs are horror shows. nt SunSeeker Mar 2019 #12
I had a similar experience in Tbilisi, Georgia lanlady Mar 2019 #14
Your Georgian doctor was right about the Imodium and wrong about the Cipro. Aristus Mar 2019 #17
"I know hat sounds like a Japanese movie monster. . ." Codeine Mar 2019 #29
Good one, Codeine! calimary Mar 2019 #34
"Traveler's diarrhea" is almost always bacterial in origin. kcr Mar 2019 #38
Still, I'd get a stool culture before treating. And maybe the Georgian doctor did. I don't know. Aristus Mar 2019 #39
My tour guide arranged for an English speaking, woman doctor to come to my hotel sinkingfeeling Mar 2019 #15
In the United States, that would have been an $1800.00 bill EASY! Raster Mar 2019 #18
U.S. Healthcare Industrial Complex. The time has come to end their thievery. YOHABLO Mar 2019 #22
I had a similar experience way back in 1977 or 78 in the Republic of South Africa. KPN Mar 2019 #25
When Taiwan was deciding to create a true healthcare system luvtheGWN Mar 2019 #26
Healthcare tourism underpants Mar 2019 #28
America should be ashamed of itself Blue Owl Mar 2019 #31
Not to worry durablend Mar 2019 #32
Same experience in Ireland in the 90s. meadowlander Mar 2019 #33
I get my health care from one of the largest scocialized health care systems in the world ... marble falls Mar 2019 #37
A Had a No Cost Serious Surgery in France McKim Mar 2019 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author cannabis_flower Mar 2019 #41
Post where I smacked down my Libertarian friend with facts cannabis_flower Mar 2019 #43
Taiwan modeled their system after American Medicare IronLionZion Mar 2019 #44
when I was an infant I had encephalitis and spent 6 months gopiscrap Mar 2019 #45
other Horror stories from other socialized medicine countries like Germany & Brazil carolinadem Mar 2019 #47
I told my child this on Saturday morning. DonaldsRump Mar 2019 #51
Wow, only $80 for the uninsured FOREIGNER?? Beartracks Mar 2019 #52

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
1. That was Obama's biggest crime
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:03 AM
Mar 2019

Trying to force health care on people.

Read that twice and then try to understand how the mind of a Teabagger works.

George II

(67,782 posts)
24. When I was a kid we put mustard on our hamburgers, in fact my mother mixed some mustard...
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:44 PM
Mar 2019

...in the ground beef when she made hamburgers.

Now even the thought of that gives me the creeps.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
36. I don't really like mustard but..
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 03:33 PM
Mar 2019

I used to make tuna salad when I was a kid. I heard someone say that putting a little mustard in the tuna salad gave it a good flavor. I'd been making the tuna salad with about two teaspoons of mustard (along with the mayonnaise, eggs, onions and pickle relish) for some time when my mother saw me and told me she didn't want any in her tuna salad. I told her she'd been eating it like that for months.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
50. When I eat a burger again, I am going to have to try mustard on it.
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 11:47 PM
Mar 2019

In the South, we were mostly Mayo or Ketchup, or both on burgers. I personally never had one with mustard, but it sounds intriguing, I love mustard on sandwiches now, but I eat mostly grilled chicken sandwiches now.

lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
20. No: It was respecting, adoring and publicly loving his wife.
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:02 PM
Mar 2019

His crimes included living up to all of the american tennants that they all fail at, and making them all look bad.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,346 posts)
2. but socialized medicine means less money for socialized business
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:08 AM
Mar 2019

Putting tax money into health care means less tax money goes to Disney and Exxon and defense contractors. We can't have that crazy stuff going on here.

lamsmy

(155 posts)
11. Most big business quietly supports single payer
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 03:27 AM
Mar 2019

It saves them money in the long run both in actual costs and in administrative paperwork. It's a big reason was these systems have been so successful in Europe, Japan, Canada, etc. - businesses understand they benefit hugely from a relatively low cost (compared to US) set up that requires little or no effort by then and results in a universally healthier population. No business leader in those countries ever demands the privatisation of healthcare for sound financial reasons. This an important argument that Dems fail to make over and over again.

In the US, the insurance and healthcare industries are huge and powerful. Everybody just keeps their mouths shut and prays someone else is willing to take the heat and solve the problem.

susanna

(5,231 posts)
13. Truth.
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 04:08 AM
Mar 2019

I wish more people would point this out.

Single payer HELPS business. Health insurance is a huge drain on their profits. And our private market healthcare with NO regulations on drug costs, for example, is a nightmare for them. It is why they routinely "lay off" (fire) people over a certain age, weakening their organizational strength.

Yet these same companies like the socialistic 'business' tax cuts from the GOP more, so they keep their mouths shut about the obvious. It is crazy.

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
21. "an important argument that Dems fail to make over and over again"
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:08 PM
Mar 2019

I could not agree more.

Although a single payer plan will 'cost more' when the control volume is drawn around government spending, when one enlarges the volume to the US economy, it will result in a significant net savings.

Further, the R types like to bleat on about the 'nation of entrepreneurs' thing. A health insurance system not tied to employment would free a lot of people to take a risk that today they cannot due to their family insurance being tied to employment.






BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
5. An opposite tale...
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:50 AM
Mar 2019

A Swedish student came to the US for a long visit. While here he was bitten by a snake and the bill for the anti-venom was $250,000. Fortunately for him he bought extra traveler's health insur for the US before he came. His friends and family back home couldn't believe his true horror story of non-socialized medicine.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
35. Whatever it is, they don't have to pay that amount
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 03:12 PM
Mar 2019

The writer had to pay it because he isn't a citizen in Taiwan:

He sarcastically titled his tale “The Horrors of Socialized Medicine,” noting he didn’t even have health insurance — in Taiwan or the United States. If he had Taiwan’s national health insurance, his costs would have been a fraction of $80, he wrote.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
48. $80 there goes twice as far, so like $160 here
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 10:44 PM
Mar 2019

Taiwan is a wealthy country but things are cheaper over there.

Taiwan's GDP per capita adjusted for differences in price levels between countries, called purchasing power parity (PPP) adjustment is
about the same as Australia, slightly less than Germany and slightly more than Canada.

BTW good luck getting out of an emergency room here with less than $5k in bills.

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
14. I had a similar experience in Tbilisi, Georgia
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 07:25 AM
Mar 2019

Was very ill with traveler's diarrhea. Had been trying to self-treat with Imodium but it didn't work. I was seen at the hospital immediately by an English-speaking doctor, put in bed on an IV, and given meds and fluids for the next couple of hours. The doctor took the time to explain to me that taking Imodium for this kind of diarrhea was the absolute wrong thing to do; I risked poisoning my intestines. She gave me a prescription for Cipro. And she wrote out her diagnosis in English so that my insurance company back home could reimburse me for the cost - $70 total for the treatment plus about $5 for the Cipro and some de-tox meds. I told the tour guide the next day that in the US that visit to the ER would have cost around $2000 and involved completely unnecessary tests. She didn't believe me!

Aristus

(66,377 posts)
17. Your Georgian doctor was right about the Imodium and wrong about the Cipro.
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 11:46 AM
Mar 2019

Taking anti-diarrhea medications to plug you up can cause a condition called Toxic Megacolon. I know that sounds like a Japanese movie monster, but it's an actual thing. It can cause your large colon to swell to dangerous proportions and it's a medical emergency. If it wants out, it wants out. That's why I don't plug my patients up when they have diarrhea; I tell them to let it run its course, and to stay very well-hydrated in the meantime.

I don't know about doctors in Georgia, but, at least in the past, it has been the habit of doctors in Russia to prescribe antibiotics for every kind of acute ailment, even if it's not bacterial in origin. I remember when I was doing my family medicine rotation in school, treating a mother's three children for a viral infection. I prescribed symptomatic treatment and supportive care. The mother complained to my preceptor that I had not prescribed antibiotics. I told my preceptor "It's a viral infection, not bacterial"; he said: "I know. You prescribed the appropriate treatment; you did well in the visit. But the mother is Russian, and in Russia they expect to get antibiotics when they go to the clinic." Most acute intestinal conditions are viral in origin, so antibiotics not only will not treat the illness, they can make it worse by killing off beneficial intestinal flora (good bacteria).

Anyway, I'm glad you were able to get treatment overseas without going bankrupt. We have the most embarrassing health care system in the world.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
29. "I know hat sounds like a Japanese movie monster. . ."
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 02:41 PM
Mar 2019

I would totally watch that.

“Coming this July, The Toxic Megacolon! Because sometimes the worst move is no move at all!”

kcr

(15,317 posts)
38. "Traveler's diarrhea" is almost always bacterial in origin.
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 03:41 PM
Mar 2019

So antibiotics would be entirely appropriate. Also, toxic mega-colon is a rare complication of IBD and Chron's. If someone is otherwise healthy and their doctor prescribes an anti-diarrheal, they're very unlikely to get it.

Aristus

(66,377 posts)
39. Still, I'd get a stool culture before treating. And maybe the Georgian doctor did. I don't know.
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 03:46 PM
Mar 2019

Whenever I have difficulty with a diagnosis, I try to let the science do the work for me.

sinkingfeeling

(51,457 posts)
15. My tour guide arranged for an English speaking, woman doctor to come to my hotel
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:11 AM
Mar 2019

room, at night, to treat my oral thrush in Warsaw, Poland. Total cost was $70 US.
Find an American doctor who makes house calls 24x7.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
25. I had a similar experience way back in 1977 or 78 in the Republic of South Africa.
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:44 PM
Mar 2019

I had an abscessed tooth. Was admitted into a hospital in the City of Bloemfontein and stayed overnight. During my stay, the tooth was extracted, the abscess drained and I was given pain and antibacterials. The bill? 25 cents (SA Rands -- so about 29 US cents).

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
26. When Taiwan was deciding to create a true healthcare system
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:47 PM
Mar 2019

its government took a good, hard look at all the countries with single-payer, or universal health, systems. And the Taiwanese government did the SMART thing by taking the BEST of each of those countries, and created its own unique healthcare system.

durablend

(7,460 posts)
32. Not to worry
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 02:54 PM
Mar 2019

Pence will be telling us how much of an "anti-American" terrist Kevin Bozeat is soon enough.

meadowlander

(4,395 posts)
33. Same experience in Ireland in the 90s.
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 02:58 PM
Mar 2019

Crashed my bike without wearing a helmet (wear your helmet kids!), went to the ER, exam, x-ray, CT scan and an ambulance ride home (the paramedics were going off-duty, knew I didn't have another way to get there and offered me a lift) cost like US$30.

marble falls

(57,093 posts)
37. I get my health care from one of the largest scocialized health care systems in the world ...
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 03:39 PM
Mar 2019

the VA, and I love it. When you add the health care of Congress, Federal employees in including active duty military - The US is already one of the largest socialized health care systems, gotta be top five.

How would these GOP and allied legislators feel about losing their own socialized health care?

McKim

(2,412 posts)
40. A Had a No Cost Serious Surgery in France
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 04:08 PM
Mar 2019

Because my husband worked at a French government science center when we lived there in the 80’s, I had a miscarriage, a tumor removal and a uterus sewed back together. This cost us nothing! The next year I had a healthy baby. God bless the socialized medicine of France! I wish we had that here!

Response to dalton99a (Original post)

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
43. Post where I smacked down my Libertarian friend with facts
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 06:13 PM
Mar 2019


Here's the embedded picture that you can't really see from the image



This is from this webpage:

https://www.ntbt.gov.tw/etwmain/web/ETW118W/CON/2420/5126516707569746702

This is in Taiwanese money and 540,000 is approximately $17,500 USD.

By the way, he liked my reply.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
44. Taiwan modeled their system after American Medicare
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 06:19 PM
Mar 2019

along with taking the best ideas from various other countries' systems

$80 bill is doable for most anyone. $80,000 bill can ruin someone's life.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
45. when I was an infant I had encephalitis and spent 6 months
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 06:46 PM
Mar 2019

in a top notch German Hospital total bill to my parents was 35.00 that would 319.00 in todays money, but that included everything, medicine, xrays, hospital stay and a million other things

carolinadem

(5 posts)
47. other Horror stories from other socialized medicine countries like Germany & Brazil
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 10:05 PM
Mar 2019

on a recent trip to Berlin I had to go the dr to get a prescription filled. They struggled with figuring out what to charge me and ended up charging me an OUTRAGEOUS ... $ 26.00...the Doctor was very nice..

years ago I was in Brazil and managed to get 2nd degree burns on the tops of my feet. I went to a clinic where they treated me and when I offered to pay they were struck dumb, they laughed and said they had no way to accept MONEY for HEALTH CARE !!!

another backward country where taking care of people comes first.. outrageous !!!

then there was the recent emergency room trip due to a high blood pressure spike..i had insurance for the EMT ride,, they still tried to bill me $500... the Emergency room tried to pull a oh your only covered for the visit NOT THE DOCTOR who attends you..BS still fighting over that charge of $240 oh and my deductible was $500

but I will say this THANK YOU BARAK OBAMA !!!!

ACA is a miracle and my insurance costs peaked ion 2017 for my wife and I at $30,000 !!!! ouch

this year under $10,000

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
51. I told my child this on Saturday morning.
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 12:16 AM
Mar 2019

Healthcare in the US is a complete joke. For the buffoons who cannot disengage their lips from Trump's, Sean Hannity's or Rush Limbaugh's respective ample asses, single payer is the solution.

For the rest of us normal folks who actually think with our mind and pocketbook, single payer makes enormous sense. I am fed up the huge health insurance bills that don't cover much. We have lived in numerous countries and have NEVER seen the absurdities that we see here in the US.

I am truly fed up with the ridiculous costs. All of you that are against changes, please ask yourself exactly why things are like they are here.

As I told my child this morning while coming back from piano lessons, her generation will hopefully get a reasonable form of universal healthcare (as well as education). However, this will only happen if we make absolutely sure that the education system, media, and election laws are restructured to keep the BS that is destroying the minds of many people who are otherwise decent.

Let us all do everything we can here to stop this from being a vehicle to poison the minds of our greatest generation (that is, the ones that are young and the ones that are yet to be).

Signing off to watch how SNL's cold open deals with this week!

Peace and love.

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