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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:27 PM Mar 2019

"Trump Told Cohen to Lie to Congress About 'Collusion' in General--Not just the Moscow Tower deal"

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In the first wave of commentary following Cohen’s hearing last week, many rightly focused on Cohen’s testifying that the President Trump told Cohen to lie to Congress about the Moscow Tower deal. What has largely escaped notice is that Cohen directly implicated the President in an instruction to lie about collusion more generally. Cohen’s about face on the question of collusion has also been missed—that is, seeing what Cohen told Congress in late 2017 compared to what Cohen told Congress on Wednesday.

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If Trump directed or encouraged Cohen to lie to Congress, it could be a criminal offense and impeachable — whether or not a grand conspiracy with Russia occurred in 2016. Trump apparently wanted Cohen to deny any knowledge or belief of collusion, including any evidence that might point in that direction or provide investigators with leads. If Cohen, for example, had reason to conclude that Trump knew and approved of the June 9 meeting, Cohen understood that the President did not want him to reveal any such information to Congress. And that is part of what Cohen, indeed, kept hidden.

It is important to take a step back to reflect on what’s happened here. Just imagine if Cohen had stated his true knowledge and belief about about “collusion” with Russia in his written testimony in Sept. 2017, which he released to the public at that time. It would have been extremely damaging to the President and other members of the campaign in the course of the Russia investigation, and that was exactly what President Trump apparently wanted to prevent.

The question is now whether President Trump told or encouraged Cohen to lie to Congress. If there is additional evidence to corroborate Cohen’s claims, it may help spell the fate of his presidency.




MUCH More:
https://www.justsecurity.org/62785/trump-told-cohen-lie-congress-collusion-general-not-moscow-tower-deal/


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"Trump Told Cohen to Lie to Congress About 'Collusion' in General--Not just the Moscow Tower deal" (Original Post) kpete Mar 2019 OP
A missed opportunity at the Cohen hearing. Lonestarblue Mar 2019 #1
I imagine this was asked in closed door testimony sobenji Mar 2019 #3
They DID ask. There was a discussion about it. Twice. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #5
Well, Trump didn't outright "tell Cohen" anything. What is "justsecurity.org"? Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #2
I wanted someone to ask Cohen how many abortions he helped pay for for Trump sobenji Mar 2019 #4
I thought Cohen actually testified that Trump never told him to do anything illegal. He just knew Nitram Mar 2019 #6

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
1. A missed opportunity at the Cohen hearing.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:52 PM
Mar 2019

After Cohen explained how Trump gets across what he wants said in public, Cohen also mentioned that Trump’s lawyers had made changes to his written statements, presumably at Trump’s behest. Why did no one ask this question, “Did lawyers add or change what you had written? If so, and you knew their additions were lies, was it your understanding that you had no choice but to repeat what the lawyers had written as your testimony to Congress?”

Such questions might have reinforced another path for the information Cohen lied about in his first testimony and implicated both Trump and his lawyers in his lies.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
5. They DID ask. There was a discussion about it. Twice.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:12 PM
Mar 2019

They then asked Cohen to produce the changes (he kept his draft, and the edited version). He said he would.

What the W.H. lawyers (that's what Cohen calls them at one point, and another point refers to atty Sekulow, who was in the mtg Cohen had with Trump after the raid) changed was the timing of the Trump negotiations w/Russia for the Moscow Project. Cohen was going to say when it really ended (Late summer 2016, I think?), but the W.H. changed that to January 2016 (I think that was the date).

They didn't have to ask again about whether he felt he had no choice, because there were several discussions at the hearing that Trump told him and the team what to say by expressing a thought that was to be the official line: "There's no business with Russia," for example. And that was back when Cohen was willing to lie for Trump, so he wouldn't have fought it.

They may have gone into more detail in the closed session, but it was clear that they gave him the version they wanted him to give. And that Cohen had presented to them the version he was prepared to give.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
2. Well, Trump didn't outright "tell Cohen" anything. What is "justsecurity.org"?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:14 PM
Mar 2019

Trump and Sekulow had a meeting with Cohen about his upcoming Congressional testimony, at which Cohen presented what he planned on saying. Cohen rec'd (later, I believe) an edited draft, which edited out the dates that Trump was negotiating w/Russia for the Moscow hotel.

I think Cohen said that Trump didn't tell him specifically what to say. Trump speaks in code, like "There's no business in Russia." Meaning that that's the line that Team Trump takes.

Also, at the recent hearing Cohen specifically answered that he saw no direct evidence of Trump colluding with Russia, or something like that. There was just that phone call w/Roger Stone, which means that Trump knew that Stone was working on the Clinton emails w/Wikileaks.

So I think some parts of this article may not be true. Is there Cohen testimony from last week where Cohen says that Trump told him to lie about Trump colluding with Russia? I didn't see any, and I haven't heard of any.

Nitram

(22,813 posts)
6. I thought Cohen actually testified that Trump never told him to do anything illegal. He just knew
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:32 PM
Mar 2019

what Trump wanted him to do. I thought Cohen was quit especific the he did not know anything related to collusion. Am I mistaken?

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