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niyad

(113,593 posts)
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:00 PM Mar 2019

If America can find $716bn for the military, it can fund the Green New Deal

If America can find $716bn for the military, it can fund the Green New Deal

If we redirected the trillions spent on fruitless wars, funding Medicare for All and a Green New Deal is perfectly realistic

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The Sunrise Movement organized a protest to pressure Senator Mitch McConnell to support the Green New Deal on 25 February in Washington DC. Photograph: Michael Brochstein/SOPA Images/REX/Shutterstock

At long last the political debate in the world’s richest country is vibrant with proposals that would help the most vulnerable in our society. And what do we hear in response? A growing chorus of naysayers. “Just pipe dreams” – that’s how the Washington Post columnist Robert Samuelson referred to proposals for guaranteed jobs, Medicare for All, universal childcare, and the Green New Deal. Like many other pundits and politicians, Samuelson says we can’t afford such luxuries. Taxing the rich wouldn’t raise enough money. We’d have no choice but to resort to deficit spending.

Funny how some politicians have no qualms about ballooning the deficit with tax cuts for the rich but balk at investing in the long-term health of our people and communities. Just as peculiar: the fact that military spending cuts are virtually never mentioned as an option for freeing up funds for social good instead of war. This year the US military budget is $716bn – and boy is it ripe for slashing. That military budget represents about 53 cents of every discretionary dollar in the federal budget – and it’s one of the biggest reasons that people so often throw up their hands and shake their heads when they think about funding innovative ways to end poverty.

They don’t need to throw up their hands, though. The politicians and pundits should just start listening to children.When young organizers from the Sunrise Movement recently challenged Senator Dianne Feinstein to support a Green New Deal, she told them “there’s no money to pay for it”. She probably didn’t expect those eight- and 10- and 11-year-old kids to respond immediately: “Yes, there is, there’s tons of money going to the military.” Feinstein responded condescendingly that the military does “important things” with that money. Our never-ending wars say otherwise. Last year saw the highest number of civilians killed in the Afghanistan war since the UN began keeping track – more than 3,800 people, 930 of them children. About a quarter of them were killed by US and Nato troops and their Afghan government allies – and most of those by US-Nato airstrikes and drone attacks. Thousands more were injured.
Advertisement. Committing such mayhem doesn’t come cheap. Last year alone, the war in Afghanistan, in its 17th year, cost about $45bn. And that’s just the immediate cost of fighting the war – it doesn’t include the costs of caring for injured US soldiers, let alone Afghan victims. It doesn’t include training more soldiers to replace the ones occupying Afghanistan now, or the enormous sums spent on the base Pentagon budget.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/06/progressive-agenda-us-military-funding

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If America can find $716bn for the military, it can fund the Green New Deal (Original Post) niyad Mar 2019 OP
I agree duforsure Mar 2019 #1
exactly niyad Mar 2019 #2
We have a real issue to correct with the money going to the military... Moostache Mar 2019 #3
a most excellent post, thank you. this actually deserves its own OP, if you would?? niyad Mar 2019 #5
Pentagon waste and fraud alwaysinasnit Mar 2019 #8
That's $716 billion per year NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #4
exactly niyad Mar 2019 #6
I'm always amazed NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #10
the big lie is alive and well lwith the reichwing "news" media niyad Mar 2019 #12
yes, AND actually defend us against an existential threat shanny Mar 2019 #7
Does that include foreign aid to buy US-made military equipment? TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #9
no niyad Mar 2019 #11

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
1. I agree
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:05 PM
Mar 2019

And find the money to get ALL the children back to their parents that they kidnapped from . The future costs for not having a Green New Deal will be even greater , and more damaging then they're saying to this country.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
3. We have a real issue to correct with the money going to the military...
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:33 PM
Mar 2019

We have been on a "war footing" for 2 decades...active combat troops in Afghanistan for 18 years, but more pervasive is the manner in which the military budget flows through all sectors of the economy and nearly every single congressional district too.

We cannot just cut the military spending, we have to transform it. We have to reduce the size and scope of the international military (bases, troops, active deployments) and the domestic military (bases, support staff, pet spending projects) while converting those reductions into productive elements of the New Green Deal economy. While people love to scream "SOCIALISTS!!!", what we need to show them is that we already HAVE A HUGE SOCIALIST PROGRAM eating our lunch and not providing benefits to all citizens equally.

If the money reduced on military spending was used to generate a civilian corp of engineers to implement changes to the carbon economy instead of building goddamn walls and staring at desert scrub brush or patrolling Afghan hellholes or propping up chosen dictators, we might just have a chance at really reinventing the status quo in a positive way. But that requires nuanced thinking and serious commitment to making America truly great - as a nation, for its citizens and not as a slogan or hollow chant or money-making scam.

Its time to stop reporting about weather events as isolated tragedies and instead run an annual price tag on the destruction AND deaths caused. When 23 people died in Alabama, we should be getting the message out that while tragic and horrible, if we continue to pretend it was an isolated incident, only worse awaits us all...

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
10. I'm always amazed
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:59 PM
Mar 2019

that the mythical Liberal Media lets RWers get away with things like that.

Obamacare/ACA was $800 billion, but it was really $80 billion/year over 10 years and an outrageous cost because it was always listed at that $800 billion.

Meanwhile, the Iraq War was $80 to $100/billion per year and listed as that amount per year. The scale is a lot smaller when the federal government has a $2 trillion budget... but, that $800 billion looks a lot bigger when compared to $2 trillion, even though it's not a direct comparison

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
7. yes, AND actually defend us against an existential threat
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:48 PM
Mar 2019

unlike whatever the eff the military does for us.

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