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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you really think tRump will try to start a Civil War if not reelected?
Cohen's friend Donny Deutche keeps saying that he knows the moron and fully expects that he will tell his deplorables to take up arms when he leaves office and under any circumstance (whether he is jailed, forced to resign or isn't reelected). I have heard this from many pundits over the past few months but I don't buy it.
Mr Tibbs
(539 posts)I would put nothing past him.
blur256
(979 posts)His supporters are locked and loaded I fear.
htuttle
(23,738 posts)Violent, but stupid.
ooky
(8,924 posts)when it is time for Spanky to leave office will scatter like the cockroaches they are when the National Guard shows up.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)Most do well to get their old fat redneck asses off the couch. The white supremacists, neo-nazis and a handful of serious nut cases worry me, but in the grand scheme they are few in number. The bulk of his followers aren't worth the effort.
pwb
(11,276 posts)In an attempt to save his ass.
GP6971
(31,168 posts)the office provides him protection.
pwb
(11,276 posts)they may offer him a deal to leave with a forever gag order or prison.
TxVietVet
(1,905 posts)Thinking that being president will provide cover.
The armed deplorables will cause havoc for a short period. Most of the gunnuts are gutless. When they see the power of the federal government come down, they'll fold uplike a pup tent.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)their futures to cover for trump.
Why they all dont just screw trump and get him out their lives is strange.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)be prosecuted. They would serve jail time.
A civil war started by trump would be trying to over throw the government. The FBI and AGs all over the country would seek them out.
The government agencies would not obey trump in that event.
Congress and the Supreme Court would not give their power over to trump. This is not 1930s Germany.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Gotta say that we have a president that is a criminal as is his ilk.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)It's more like 1923, when Hitler had his failed Beer Hall Putsch. For trying overthrow the government, he got a 5 year sentence of which he served 9 months. He got such a short sentence because he had a sympathetic judge. He took the time in jail to write Mein Kampf.
I don't think Trump will succeed. But he has helped create more deplorables, who will be waiting for a smarter leader.
Polybius
(15,433 posts)Since they would start their own country. Not that this will ever happen though, there will be no Civil War II.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)No, they would only be jailed.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Red Mountain
(1,735 posts)Law enforcement will roll anybody up stupid enough to answer the call very quickly.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Juneboarder
(1,732 posts)don't you think that there are many trump supporters that are in law enforcement that could potentially side with trump's base and protect them rather than the people that do not support trump? There are many small town law enforcement officers all over the country that spew the hate trump propagates?
mitch96
(13,912 posts)I think your right. I have many Coast Guard familys in my neighborhood. Voted for and still supported tRump even though they got screwed with the bullshit gov't shut down.. They love him...
My feeling is he is gonna start a false flag war someplace and get national support to get re elected.
It worked for Bush after 9/11... The only good thing is Pence is no Cheney... Then again tRump has Putin to tell him what to do... ugg
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Juneboarder
(1,732 posts)Even here in CA, I know of families that are in law enforcement and will support trump to the day they die. Regardless of anything he says or does. It's sickening to say the least, but there are a enough trump supporters out there that make me deeply concerned for our near future (not just for our country, but the world).
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)No one man has ever been, nor ever will be strong enough to fight off an army.
However what dictators do is build loyal supporters, both in the civilian and military population.
Then when revolution is triggered, its civilians vs civilians, military vs military and cops vs cops.
I honestly think that Trump will leave office quietly. Just like Bush did (I remember all the DU speculation about Bush not leaving).
However civil wars NEVER happen as predicted. (If they did, they would quashed quickly when law enforcement rolls up)
zaj
(3,433 posts)We'll know more as the months progress.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)to take to the streets. Would he urge them to use weapons? I doubt it and I also doubt that his supporters have the will or guts to risk their lives for him.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)[sorry don't remember the quote].
keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)These are not normal times. This is not a normal president and I think we are in uncharted waters here. I put nothing past them and believe that there is nothing they won't do to hang on to power. Never underestimate them. We would be foolish to laugh them off.
I honestly hope that nothing horrible happens, but I think it would be wise to prepare for the worst and take action to prevent or at least mitigate it.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)and will cause some harm. But I cant see a large scale revolt. I think most of his supporters are too comfortable to contemplate armed action.
Of course, we should always be prepared for the worst.
C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)But we've all seen those knuckledragging lardasses getting all huffy in their red hats... too stupid and simply unfit to be starting any kind of civil war. They'd get pummeled into exile by the better 80% majority.
Afromania
(2,769 posts)They are going to take up arms and invade where exactly? How exactly would a "civil war" work without defined and drawn out lines? Do they think folks got time to take off from Rinky Dinky Dog, Pop Copy and S-Mart? Well? Of course they don't have the time because the country isn't set up for that.
The folks that have higher paying jobs and are doing relatively ok aren't going to take up arms and sacrifice their well being for his stupidity. The extent of what they are willing to do stops at the ballot box. trump and the republicans are their proxy to hurt "others". By and far they are too damn craven to act on their own. If they were so bold they wouldn't have lied so damn much about who they were going to vote for in 2016.
Beyond that somebody has to make sure the wife/husband, kids and grandma/grandpa have their rents paid, and food put on the table. They live in states where the people they voted for have gutted any possibility of people making living wages or having social backstops without shit to hang people up. So, again, they simply don't have the time to go farting around with shit like "civil wars".
Don't get me wrong tho. There are probably going to be a number of idiots who are too damn stupid for reality. These momos will "make an attempt". They will get their feefes hurt and their asses tossed in the klink. Remember how they got all ill and shit after trump was elected and decent people fought back? They started crying about why the "tolerant left wasn't tolerant". Hell, they started complaining about how they couldn't get dates anymore.
Summary: trump will try, a few dummies will make the attempt(and go to jail) and we'll keep on keeping on.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)Thats exactly how I see it panning out.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)WA and OR may go as well.
No sense staying at that point.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)mitch96
(13,912 posts)Cha
(297,321 posts)know.
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)trixie2
(905 posts)Weapons will be available through his website.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)FAUX, talk radio, etc...
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Because he doesnt want to go to jail.
I just wish he would defect to an Ecuadorian Embassy somewhere. And take his kids.
sweetroxie
(776 posts)Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)
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GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)But I live in a very red county in central Florida. Most of his supporters have pulled off their car decals and I almost never see a MAGA hat anymore. No doubt they will vote for him. But if they are too self conscious to wear his hat they arent taking up arms.
The few who try something, well, we got jail cells waiting for them.
IH8TU
(26 posts)Your typical Trump supporter Is too out of shape to go to war.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4851754/John-Legend-seeks-fat-actors-play-Trump-supporters.html
912gdm
(959 posts)brettdale
(12,382 posts)He will win it, the voter suppression will be thru the roof.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,492 posts)There will be a lot of grousing on the internet just like there is now but theres no way in hell that people are going to engage in a civil war over this asshole. No one is going to kill or die for him in any significant numbers.
The suggestion is ludicrous on its face.
Raine
(30,540 posts)that's ridiculous, Deutche has taken too many steroids.
quickesst
(6,280 posts).... I am talking about the wide scope of what is considered a civil war. How are they going to tell who to shoot. There will be no uniforms, and there will be no regimented armies. Will they shoot they're brothers, sisters, mothers, father's, children who may not agree with their politics? My only living brother who lives in the same town I do and is about as right wing as you can get will not come to my house and shoot me because he knows I am a liberal Democrat .
While you may have some who will fall on the wrong side of history, I feel pretty confident that the majority of police forces, National Guard, FBI, and the military will fall on the right side of history. I believe we will find that most of these dip shits are cowards, and I believe they will severely underestimate their opponents strength and resolve. If Trump loses the election, which he will, and if it comes down to it what we will see is the proper authorities frog marching Trump out of the White House and straight to the courthouse. While some may, on a scale of 1 to 10, peg the mayhem at 9 or 10, I would peg it closer to 1 or 2.
Cartoonist
(7,317 posts)Mexicans
Muslims
POC
It will be random and unorganized. The dying act of a dying race. That's how they'll see it.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)...... are not words one would use to define a civil war, although what you are saying concerning minorities is more than likely true. I just don't think the violence will rise to the level that many believe it will, and freely admit that I may be wrong in my assessment. I hope not.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)chowder66
(9,073 posts)There might be a fraction that want to start a civil war but if they even attempt anything at all it's going to fizzle out fast.
Law enforcement (federal and state) will come down hard because they are not going to want to put up with this.
They won't have the resources if anything starts to develop and grow so they will squash it.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)....a meager as they are....but as a private citizen he will go full bore crazy.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Alarmist, fear-mongering threads like this are ridiculous.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Silliness.
onenote
(42,714 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)I don't think he can imagine a world where he would lose reelection. He may try to stay in power by force, although I doubt he would be successful. As for citizens taking up arms for him in large enough numbers to constitute civil war, I think most of he deplorables are more bark than bite, though I would fully expect some of them to take up arms for their precious. Of course, all of this is conjecture. With that temper and diet of his, Trump may well stroke out or have a massive heart attck by then. Then we'd be left with his vice president, who has less charisma than a dial tone, and would likely have to fight mightily to hold onto several red states.
DBoon
(22,369 posts)We can expect more of this especially in conservative rurla areas where much of the populace would support these moves
Paladin
(28,264 posts)Those of you who believe otherwise are crediting trump with (1.) a stable mind and (2.) the absence of a sick, life-long need to get even with his enemies at all costs. There is abundant evidence of both perverse traits every single day, now.
nancy1942
(635 posts)Of course they would. They are fighting for God.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The military answers to him/her. I'm not afraid of obese rednecks who whine and I don't care how many guns they have.
machoneman
(4,007 posts)Sad...but he will call for insurrection and effectively kill off the GOP for decades...a good thing indeed!
Delmette2.0
(4,166 posts)I think they are the devils whispering in his ear. Without those two giving him all these horrible ideas and passable ways to pull it off he would never think of this stuff.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)While there are certainly a small handful (Cesar Sayoc, James Alex Fields, Joey Gibson, et.al.) of supporters so blatantly stupid as to act out their little bedroom fantasies, they are collectively and simply, just a gaggle of hysterical, tender little snowflakes triggered by science, math and education.
Simplistic dullards have no strategy, they can only react. Hand them mouth-wash when it happens, it's much less odious that way.
mokawanis
(4,442 posts)and then they'll go watch tv. A few of them will probably commits acts of mayhem and either get shot by police officers or be imprisoned.