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ffr

(22,670 posts)
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:20 PM Mar 2019

Trump Is Being Investigated For A Mysterious New Crime In New York



Lawyers claiming to be associated with Rudy Giuliani reached out to Michael Cohen after he was raided and nobody is talking about a potential crime that is being investigated in the Southern District of New York involving Trump.
ABC News reported:
The sources familiar with the contacts said the two lawyers first reached out to Cohen late in April of last year and that the discussions continued for about two months. The attorneys, who have no known formal ties to the White House, urged Cohen not to leave the joint defense agreement, the sources told ABC News, and also offered a Plan B. In the event Cohen opted to exit the agreement, they could join his legal team and act as a conduit between Cohen and the president’s lawyers.

At one point in the discussions, one of the attorneys sent Cohen a phone screenshot to prove they were in touch with Giuliani, the sources said
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That is strange, but it gets weirder.

Here is Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi’s answer when he was asked by MSNBC’s Chris Hayes if Cohen’s closed-door testimony before the House Intelligence Committee provided more details on what the SDNY is investigating:


There is a big shoe about to drop, and the breadcrumbs suggest that Trump and Giuliani have been using non-affiliated attorneys to reach out to witnesses and defendants to try to keep them quiet and onboard with Trump. In other words, the President Of The United States may be trying to silence witnesses and obstruct justice. - PoliticusUSA


Rudy, Rudy, Rudy!
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Trump Is Being Investigated For A Mysterious New Crime In New York (Original Post) ffr Mar 2019 OP
Surprise. Surprise. Surprise. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #1
New Yawk, New Yawk, it's a hellavu town, it's gonna be the one to bring rump down. nt UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #2
We would have a party leftynyc Mar 2019 #23
Da Bronx is up and da Battery's down PJMcK Mar 2019 #26
Oooh. So mobster like. Glimmer of Hope Mar 2019 #3
I am still trying to get all of the poss. pardons straight. BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #4
If the city charges him, still not pardonable leftynyc Mar 2019 #24
The real crimes will be state offenses PJMcK Mar 2019 #27
The more convoluted Trump's machinations become, procon Mar 2019 #5
At this point it's probably easier to list what he isn't being investigated for Initech Mar 2019 #6
More evidence is that Maggie Habermann is out with a bullshit story manor321 Mar 2019 #7
Geez, next thing you know, it'll turn out that POtuS was actually born in Kenya. catbyte Mar 2019 #8
Or Mexico. nt DRoseDARs Mar 2019 #9
The shoe is always about to drop. Scruffy1 Mar 2019 #10
I would LOVE to see Rudy incarcerated for obstruction, witness tampering and/or conspiracy. RockRaven Mar 2019 #11
I wonder if Vegas is laying odds on who gets indicted? Pepsidog Mar 2019 #12
All of them? Dem2theMax Mar 2019 #14
Nice pardon you can have. rickford66 Mar 2019 #13
Lawbreakers don't get to dictate how findings are handled. BSdetect Mar 2019 #15
Watch out for the Trump gestapo. triron Mar 2019 #16
As Michael Cohen says ... "Mueller knows all" FakeNoose Mar 2019 #17
Trying to get somebody else's hands dirty so they can keep theirs clean. calimary Mar 2019 #18
They need another quiz show on SNL for this. triron Mar 2019 #19
ghouliani has had it coming for a LONG time DirtEdonE Mar 2019 #20
I'm going with money laundering. (a separate case from the Russian money laundering) LudwigPastorius Mar 2019 #21
Mobsters will be mobsters malaise Mar 2019 #22
But her emails! IronLionZion Mar 2019 #25
It's called "witness tampering" red dog 1 Mar 2019 #28

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
26. Da Bronx is up and da Battery's down
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:45 PM
Mar 2019

The people ride in a hole in da ground.
New Yawk, New Yawk, it's a helluva town.

(Apologies to Comden & Green & Bernstein)

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
4. I am still trying to get all of the poss. pardons straight.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:30 PM
Mar 2019

Fed crimes (from either Mueller or SDNY) are pardonable. Crimes committed in the state of NY and prosecuted by the NY state AG are NOT pardonable. That may be the only way we get rid of him...through the state and not the city, right?

https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/legal-expert-nothing-protects-trump-from-state-ag-indictment-1453253699593

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
24. If the city charges him, still not pardonable
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:27 PM
Mar 2019

Federal charges=pardonable. State charges (coming from anywhere in the state=not pardonable except by the governor.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
27. The real crimes will be state offenses
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:48 PM
Mar 2019

The city crimes wouldn't amount to much, most likely.

But the New York State charges could have stiffer penalties than Federal charges. Importantly, only the NY Governor could pardon or commute any charges or sentences. Democrat Andrew Cuomo is unlikely to show Trump any mercy if he is petitioned.

procon

(15,805 posts)
5. The more convoluted Trump's machinations become,
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:38 PM
Mar 2019

the harder it will be for him to keep all the loose ends from unraveling

I suspect that most of his "executive time" is now spent trying to keep all the spinning plates in the air, hoping that no one spills the beans and implicates him in yet more crimes.

I can't imagine that even the Mofia would have so many illegal schemes going at the same time, or be nearly as incompetent in managing their criminal enterprises.

Initech

(100,080 posts)
6. At this point it's probably easier to list what he isn't being investigated for
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:46 PM
Mar 2019

Trump's had a whole warehouse full of shoes drop so far and nothing has been done.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
7. More evidence is that Maggie Habermann is out with a bullshit story
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:54 PM
Mar 2019

Read Maggie's story and laugh. It portrays Rudy in the best light possible.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
10. The shoe is always about to drop.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 11:16 PM
Mar 2019

This whole thing is being managed for dram, methinks. There is already good cause to arrest the orange anus. Time to quit pussyfooting and drop the damn hammer.

RockRaven

(14,972 posts)
11. I would LOVE to see Rudy incarcerated for obstruction, witness tampering and/or conspiracy.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 11:33 PM
Mar 2019

Damn crook!

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
17. As Michael Cohen says ... "Mueller knows all"
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 11:45 PM
Mar 2019

It doesn't seem like Cohen is holding anything back, at this point. He knows there will be no pardons from Chump, so why bother with a joint defense agreement? It couldn't possibly help anybody but Chump.


calimary

(81,304 posts)
18. Trying to get somebody else's hands dirty so they can keep theirs clean.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 12:19 AM
Mar 2019

But still ensuring that the dirty work gets done. Sounds like something trump would do. Giuliani too. Let somebody else take the fall for it while they skate safely away on a nice solid frozen pond of plausible deniability.

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
20. ghouliani has had it coming for a LONG time
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 01:04 AM
Mar 2019

I hope to see ghouliani get his right along with trump.

Two fucking traitors. Period.

LudwigPastorius

(9,155 posts)
21. I'm going with money laundering. (a separate case from the Russian money laundering)
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:12 PM
Mar 2019

Perhaps mob money run through one of Trump's businesses for a nice percentage...
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