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dajoki

(10,678 posts)
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:44 AM Mar 2019

Rudy Giuliani's Desperate Defense of Trump Is Falling Apart in Front of Us

Rudy Giuliani’s Desperate Defense of Trump Is Falling Apart in Front of Us as the Case Against the President Mounts
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/node/83794

Michael Cohen’s ongoing testimony before Congress and the evidence of criminal wrongdoing he is providing to lawmakers, prosecutors, and the media, must be making President Donald Trump, his former client, increasingly nervous.

So Rudy Giuliani, the president’s current lawyer, is frantically trying to spin a defense as the case spirals out beyond his control.

In a new report from the New York Times Wednesday night, for example, Giuliani said that multiple lawyers for defendants in the Russia investigation have sought potential pardons. Giuliani claimed, though, that he has consistently rebuffed the request. Giuliani is an unreliable narrator in the best of times — he repeatedly mangles known facts when they benefit Trump. But in this case, his claims are even more dubious, because they clearly look like damage control; multiple reports have recently found that there were discussions of a possible pardon for Cohen, though it’s not clear who brought up the idea.

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Giuliani, the Times reported, “said he always insisted to defense lawyers that Mr. Trump would not consider granting pardons until the investigations were long over.” Of course, this might not be much of a help to Trump, because as the Times note, previous reporting found that the president’s lawyers were raising the prospect of possible pardons to defendants in the Russia investigation before Giuliani came aboard.

And even earlier on Wednesday, Giuliani gave a different, much more definitive response about the possibility of pardons.

“We have unequivocally always said only one thing, and anything else would be entirely false,” Giuliani told ABC News. “We have said the president is not going to issue any pardons and is not considering any pardons at this time.”

The answer to ABC News, though, was in direct contradiction with known facts. Giuliani has previously said Trump “reserves the power to [pardon] if and when it’s appropriate.” Trump himself has said on the subject of pardons, “I’m not taking anything off the table.”

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Rudy Giuliani's Desperate Defense of Trump Is Falling Apart in Front of Us (Original Post) dajoki Mar 2019 OP
And of course who is helping Giuliani with this spin? That's right. Maggie Haberman. manor321 Mar 2019 #1
You're too funny! PJMcK Mar 2019 #2
I read the article manor321 Mar 2019 #5
I am so sick of her n/t dajoki Mar 2019 #8
Giuliani is a terrible lawyer PJMcK Mar 2019 #3
trump can sue the Ghoul for ineptitude. That would be hilarious. BSdetect Mar 2019 #7
he doesn't deserve a good lawyer n/t dajoki Mar 2019 #9
Everyone deserves a lawyer PJMcK Mar 2019 #10
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Mar 2019 #4
The Ghoul is perfect for the Con thegoose Mar 2019 #6

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
2. You're too funny!
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:18 AM
Mar 2019

No one can read the NY Times article and think that somehow Giuliani comes out looking good.

I get it: You don't like Ms. Haberman.

But your comment suggests you missed the most important part of the article, namely, Trump needs better lawyers.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
5. I read the article
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:40 AM
Mar 2019

The article is doing its best possible effort to paint Giuliani in a good light. I'm not saying it succeeds, but oh man is Maggie desperately trying.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
3. Giuliani is a terrible lawyer
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:24 AM
Mar 2019

Why does Trump have him as his spokesman/lawyer? Nearly every time he opens his mouth he says things that are demonstratively false or incorrect and then he has to undercut his credibility by walking back the previous comments.

The bigger problem is that Trump needs much better lawyers but he can't get them. Some law firms won't represent him because he has a history of not paying his counsel. Some firms won't represent him because he is known to lie to his lawyers. Some firms won't represent him because the female partners don't want to associate with a self-confessed sexual abuser. Some firms won't represent him because he's such a terrible client who rarely follows good solid legal advice. And some firms won't represent him because, let's face it, he's so obviously guilty of so many interlocking crimes.

One other point. Some firms won't represent him because he's an idiot.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
10. Everyone deserves a lawyer
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:42 PM
Mar 2019

It's a Constitutional right.

But Trump has brought this all onto himself. He thinks he's smarter than everyone else. That's how you know he's not smart. Really smart people know that there are things that others know better. Really smart people hire really smart lawyers.

Look at the convicted mob boss, John Gotti, for example. For years, the Feds tried to put him away and failed. Gotti got the nickname the Teflon Don because the government couldn't pin anything on him to secure a conviction. The fact is that Gotti wasn't anything special except that he hired a brilliant trial lawyer named Bruce Cutler who kept defeating the cases brought against his client. Inevitably, Cutler was found to have witnessed conversations discussing criminal activities and he was removed as Gotti's counsel because he was now a witness. Gotti was eventually convicted and died in prison. A footnote: the U.S. Assistant Attorney General who oversaw Gotti's conviction was... wait for it... Robert S. Mueller III.

Trump must know somewhere deep in his empty soul that all of his troubles are of his own making. He must know that the end of his life of criminality is under serious scrutiny and he probably won't survive it.

He's still an idiot.

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