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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 12:21 PM Mar 2019

ABC News: Giuliani hired outside lawyers to spy on Cohen, talk him out of flipping on Trump.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/lawyers-claiming-ties-rudy-giuliani-approached-michael-cohen/story?id=61514204

In the weeks following the federal raids on former Michael Cohen's law office and residences last April, President Donald Trump's former lawyer and confidant was contacted by two New York attorneys who claimed to be in close contact with Rudy Giuliani, the current personal attorney to Trump, according to sources with direct knowledge of the discussions.

...

The sources familiar with the contacts said the two lawyers first reached out to Cohen late in April of last year and that the discussions continued for about two months. The attorneys, who have no known formal ties to the White House, urged Cohen not to leave the joint defense agreement, the sources told ABC News, and also offered a Plan B. In the event Cohen opted to exit the agreement, they could join his legal team and act as a conduit between Cohen and the president's lawyers.

...

With that process ongoing, the New York attorneys talked up to Cohen the value of working with them because of their good relationship with Giuliani.

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The sources tell ABC News that during the multiple conversations between Cohen and the attorneys, there was no explicit discussion or offer of a presidential pardon for Cohen. But the sources said there was an implicit message that if Cohen hired these lawyers, it could preserve or increase his chances of a pardon down the road, the sources said.

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Cohen eventually left the joint defense agreement and hired Guy Petrillo, a white-collar defense lawyer in New York, to represent him as he sought to cooperate with Mueller's probe and other federal and state investigations. The news of Petrillo's hiring was first reported last June, but it had been rumored for weeks before that.

According to the sources, the attorneys cautioned Cohen that hiring Petrillo, the former head of the criminal division of the Southern District of New York, could effectively end all contact between Cohen and Trump's legal team. They noted that Petrillo had previously worked with prominent Trump critics, including former FBI Director James Comey and Preet Bharara, the former U.S. Attorney in Manhattan, who had been fired by the president.

As it became clear that Cohen would commit to Petrillo, the attorneys asked Cohen to consider bringing them on board as well, because their purported relationship with Giuliani could serve to keep lines of communication open with President Trump's legal team. Petrillo apparently opposed the idea of working in tandem, and Cohen ultimately rejected it, the sources said. The two attorneys never formally joined Cohen's legal team but sent Cohen a bill for legal services, which he did not pay, the sources said.
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ABC News: Giuliani hired outside lawyers to spy on Cohen, talk him out of flipping on Trump. (Original Post) DetlefK Mar 2019 OP
So many criminals just walking around free SHRED Mar 2019 #1
Rudy needs to be locked up gopiscrap Mar 2019 #2
He knew about & conspired with the HRC email leaks before they were released yaesu Mar 2019 #23
The crazy part ScratchCat Mar 2019 #3
The crazy part Poiuyt Mar 2019 #8
Kompromat explains why so many people end up defending Trump against all reason. tblue37 Mar 2019 #9
I sure missed that part! renate Mar 2019 #10
They were blinded by the golden showers. nt tblue37 Mar 2019 #19
There was a lot of stuff we were all exposed to at the beginning. Dave Starsky Mar 2019 #35
it certainly explains Lindsey Graham CatWoman Mar 2019 #46
Wow, that's huge... Can you please link to that... zaj Mar 2019 #13
Here you go (emphasis added): tblue37 Mar 2019 #21
Wow... I don't see how Muller can be wrapping up at all. zaj Mar 2019 #34
He must have dirt on Graham and others. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #24
Graham, McConnell, Rubio and others are up to their elbows in rubles, too. nt tblue37 Mar 2019 #37
The Russians hacked the RNC too TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #28
Of course, they did. Dave Starsky Mar 2019 #36
But they haven't yet exposed what they collected. It is useful leverage still. nt tblue37 Mar 2019 #38
Is there no honor among thieves? saidsimplesimon Mar 2019 #4
I never, ever bought into the "America's Mayor" bullshit about Rudy. That being said... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2019 #5
I never had any use True Blue American Mar 2019 #12
I thought that was pretty clear proof that he was a UpInArms Mar 2019 #20
Makes perfect sense he's pals with Trump. Birds of a feather. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #27
Yeah I remember that, too. That wife, Donna Hanover, calimary Mar 2019 #30
Sentient Dentures! True Blue American Mar 2019 #33
Shit - where'd I see it? One writer's reference to "Junior and Gums". calimary Mar 2019 #39
Sounds to me like that bill they sent was laying groundwork to claim the convos were privileged... RockRaven Mar 2019 #6
Oh, that explains it PatSeg Mar 2019 #17
I think it would be w/in the bounds of normal to bill a person for the attorney's time if they met RockRaven Mar 2019 #26
And did he approach them first, seeking advice or representation? calimary Mar 2019 #31
That's the way it sounds to me PatSeg Mar 2019 #41
The attorneys invoiced for unsolicited legal services? LiberalFighter Mar 2019 #7
I wondered why he had been so quiet lately Runningdawg Mar 2019 #11
ghoulianin needs to go to jail DirtEdonE Mar 2019 #14
More evidence of obstruction of justice. George II Mar 2019 #15
LOCK HIM UP! SunSeeker Mar 2019 #16
Indict him! PatSeg Mar 2019 #18
Of course. There may already be a sealed indictment sitting somewhere. nt SunSeeker Mar 2019 #40
I wouldn't be surprised PatSeg Mar 2019 #44
Our legal system at the federal level is a failure. The rich and powerful are stepping all over it. C Moon Mar 2019 #22
DECRIMINALIZED IN NEW MEXICO! MY "real" agenda real Cannabis calm Mar 2019 #43
were they really lawyers or where they "lawyers"? NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #25
y'know, it would be really really sweet if Ghouliani shanny Mar 2019 #29
That would indeed be a thing of beauty. calimary Mar 2019 #32
Isn't this "obstruction of justice?" real Cannabis calm Mar 2019 #42
or subourning perjury? edhopper Mar 2019 #45

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
23. He knew about & conspired with the HRC email leaks before they were released
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 02:30 PM
Mar 2019

He is as much a tRump crime family criminal as anyone.

ScratchCat

(1,990 posts)
3. The crazy part
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 12:31 PM
Mar 2019

is that there is no reason to do this unless Trump has committed crimes and you are trying to help cover them up. What in the hell happened to Rudy Guiliani? This is a 100% admission that he knows Trump has committed crimes. Its just mind boggling how all these people with long histories of "being on the right side of the law" are throwing themselves on grenades for Trump by committing crimes in helping him cover up his. Again, This. Makes. No. Sense.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
9. Kompromat explains why so many people end up defending Trump against all reason.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 01:08 PM
Mar 2019

The Steele dossier says the Russians provided Trump with compromising info to use as leverage against people.

That point got swamped by more salacious details.

renate

(13,776 posts)
10. I sure missed that part!
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 01:20 PM
Mar 2019

It said the Russians provided Trump with kompromat on other people?

That explains a hell of a lot! Why are the talking heads wringing their hands and wondering about what has happened to the GOP when the answer has been right there in the dossier?

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
35. There was a lot of stuff we were all exposed to at the beginning.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:41 PM
Mar 2019

But we sort of shrugged our shoulders at the time, as it all seemed too preposterous to be believed... or at least we hoped it was.

Hillary Clinton came right out and called him a puppet of Vladimir Putin to his orange fucking face on national TV. I don't think anyone realized at the time that she was dead serious about that. Nor did we realize how truly horrible that was.

Put me in the camp of people who thought, when he was "elected", that he was bad, but he couldn't be that bad. Maybe he would surprise us, or maybe there was enough protection already built into the system to save us from any damage he did. But he didn't, and there isn't.

Since the election, he has only demonstrated every day how more awful he is. No matter how low, nothing he would ever do would surprise me. And he WILL continue to do worse than I can currently imagine.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
21. Here you go (emphasis added):
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 02:11 PM
Mar 2019
In terms of specifics, Source A confided that the Kremlin had been feeding TRUMP and his team valuable intelligence on his opponents, including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON, for several years (see more below). This was confirmed by Source D, a close associate of TRUMP who had organized and managed his recent trips to Moscow, and who reported, also in June 2016, that this Russian intelligence had been "very helpful". The Kremlin's cultivation operation on TRUMP also had comprised offering him various lucrative real estate development business deals in Russia, especially in relation to the ongoing 2018 World Cup soccer tournament. However, so far, for reasons unknown, TRUMP had not taken up any of these


http://thesteeledossier.com

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
24. He must have dirt on Graham and others.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 02:41 PM
Mar 2019

That and/or some of them are up to their eyeballs in it as well

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saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
4. Is there no honor among thieves?
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 12:35 PM
Mar 2019

Now, we must endure the news cycle of pedophiles at play and criminals in our WH. This is not who we could be or should be.

In the end, they will all go down with humpty over the wall with a load crash and removal from office at the ballot box and in public opinion.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
5. I never, ever bought into the "America's Mayor" bullshit about Rudy. That being said...
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 12:41 PM
Mar 2019

....it was an extremely effective marketing campaign for him that worked for years.

So seeing his reputation falling to this....it's like a goddamn Greek Tragedy, I tell you.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
12. I never had any use
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 01:34 PM
Mar 2019

For Rudy after he called a Press Conference to announce he was getting a divotce,( his wife heard it then),and moved his Misstress into the Mansion while his wife and kids lived on the other side.

And he milked 9/11.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
27. Makes perfect sense he's pals with Trump. Birds of a feather.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 02:51 PM
Mar 2019

Also makes one wonder what sort of under the table crap they may have pulled (re real estate) during his mayoral gig.

Both appear to be hopelessly amoral......

calimary

(81,318 posts)
30. Yeah I remember that, too. That wife, Donna Hanover,
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:18 PM
Mar 2019

was PUBLICLY HUMILIATED by that bastard. She was a public figure herself, a high-profile New York television personality. He fucking HUMILIATED her before the entire city! Trotting out Judy Nathan, his backstage girl with the champagne tastes, with whom he was messing around while married to Donna Hanover. They eventually married.

And of course, now THEY’RE in the midst of a divorce because he eventually messed around on HER, too. Gee, I’m shocked ... NOT!!!

And YES he milked that “America’s Mayor” thing almost to a level of obscenity. And of course in the wake of 9/11, opportunistic schmucks like him took full em advantage and exploited that tragedy for WAY more than even it was worth. What a fucking ghoul - seeking fame and money and prestige on the pulverized bodies of some 3,000+ victims and their devastated surviving families.

HORRID excuse for a human being. No wonder he’s teamed up with a dump like trump. They deserve each other.

But the rest of us don’t deserve either one of them.



Here: I found this tasty little piece of whipped cream delight that in its opening paragraph puts a cherry on top by referring to him as “a sentient set of dentures”!!!!! He fucking deserves those horrifying excuses for “teeth” - at the very least!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thecut.com/amp/2018/04/rudy-giuliani-divorce-donna-hanover-judith-nathan.html

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
33. Sentient Dentures!
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:36 PM
Mar 2019


Teminds me of Colbert showing a picture of Junior and Eric. Hair slicked back,eyes popped and teeth bared .

RockRaven

(14,972 posts)
6. Sounds to me like that bill they sent was laying groundwork to claim the convos were privileged...
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 12:43 PM
Mar 2019

but Cohen certainly doesn't believe those lawyers were working for him (as evidenced by the fact he didn't pay the bill) and even if that were otherwise, if the lawyers were engaged in illegal activity, then attorney-client privilege is moot anyway.

RockRaven

(14,972 posts)
26. I think it would be w/in the bounds of normal to bill a person for the attorney's time if they met
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 02:48 PM
Mar 2019

multiple times to try to sort out if they would represent the person or not. But these guys were chasing a relationship with Cohen, not the other way around.

Also, I assume shyster motives of anyone who willingly associates with Giuliani.

calimary

(81,318 posts)
31. And did he approach them first, seeking advice or representation?
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:20 PM
Mar 2019

If they approached him, and he never took them up on it, then why should he pay them for their “services”?

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
14. ghoulianin needs to go to jail
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 01:47 PM
Mar 2019

He's been getting away with this type of crap all his life.

America's mayor my ass.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
44. I wouldn't be surprised
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 05:29 PM
Mar 2019

So many crimes in plain sight these days, there are bound to be indictments on the way. This getting so exhausting.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
22. Our legal system at the federal level is a failure. The rich and powerful are stepping all over it.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 02:12 PM
Mar 2019

Break a judge imposed gag order? No problem.
Threaten Democratic Party leaders? No problem.
Get involved in an illegal sex ring? No problem.
But break a local law, like having some marijuana...go to prison.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
25. were they really lawyers or where they "lawyers"?
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 02:46 PM
Mar 2019

you know - like this guy and his two assistant "lawyers"



 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
29. y'know, it would be really really sweet if Ghouliani
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:13 PM
Mar 2019

was hoist by the RICO petard he pioneered the protocol for.

REALLY sweet.

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