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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsABC News: Giuliani hired outside lawyers to spy on Cohen, talk him out of flipping on Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/lawyers-claiming-ties-rudy-giuliani-approached-michael-cohen/story?id=61514204...
The sources familiar with the contacts said the two lawyers first reached out to Cohen late in April of last year and that the discussions continued for about two months. The attorneys, who have no known formal ties to the White House, urged Cohen not to leave the joint defense agreement, the sources told ABC News, and also offered a Plan B. In the event Cohen opted to exit the agreement, they could join his legal team and act as a conduit between Cohen and the president's lawyers.
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With that process ongoing, the New York attorneys talked up to Cohen the value of working with them because of their good relationship with Giuliani.
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The sources tell ABC News that during the multiple conversations between Cohen and the attorneys, there was no explicit discussion or offer of a presidential pardon for Cohen. But the sources said there was an implicit message that if Cohen hired these lawyers, it could preserve or increase his chances of a pardon down the road, the sources said.
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Cohen eventually left the joint defense agreement and hired Guy Petrillo, a white-collar defense lawyer in New York, to represent him as he sought to cooperate with Mueller's probe and other federal and state investigations. The news of Petrillo's hiring was first reported last June, but it had been rumored for weeks before that.
According to the sources, the attorneys cautioned Cohen that hiring Petrillo, the former head of the criminal division of the Southern District of New York, could effectively end all contact between Cohen and Trump's legal team. They noted that Petrillo had previously worked with prominent Trump critics, including former FBI Director James Comey and Preet Bharara, the former U.S. Attorney in Manhattan, who had been fired by the president.
As it became clear that Cohen would commit to Petrillo, the attorneys asked Cohen to consider bringing them on board as well, because their purported relationship with Giuliani could serve to keep lines of communication open with President Trump's legal team. Petrillo apparently opposed the idea of working in tandem, and Cohen ultimately rejected it, the sources said. The two attorneys never formally joined Cohen's legal team but sent Cohen a bill for legal services, which he did not pay, the sources said.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Sickening really.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)He is as much a tRump crime family criminal as anyone.
ScratchCat
(1,990 posts)is that there is no reason to do this unless Trump has committed crimes and you are trying to help cover them up. What in the hell happened to Rudy Guiliani? This is a 100% admission that he knows Trump has committed crimes. Its just mind boggling how all these people with long histories of "being on the right side of the law" are throwing themselves on grenades for Trump by committing crimes in helping him cover up his. Again, This. Makes. No. Sense.
Poiuyt
(18,125 posts)tblue37
(65,403 posts)The Steele dossier says the Russians provided Trump with compromising info to use as leverage against people.
That point got swamped by more salacious details.
renate
(13,776 posts)It said the Russians provided Trump with kompromat on other people?
That explains a hell of a lot! Why are the talking heads wringing their hands and wondering about what has happened to the GOP when the answer has been right there in the dossier?
tblue37
(65,403 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)But we sort of shrugged our shoulders at the time, as it all seemed too preposterous to be believed... or at least we hoped it was.
Hillary Clinton came right out and called him a puppet of Vladimir Putin to his orange fucking face on national TV. I don't think anyone realized at the time that she was dead serious about that. Nor did we realize how truly horrible that was.
Put me in the camp of people who thought, when he was "elected", that he was bad, but he couldn't be that bad. Maybe he would surprise us, or maybe there was enough protection already built into the system to save us from any damage he did. But he didn't, and there isn't.
Since the election, he has only demonstrated every day how more awful he is. No matter how low, nothing he would ever do would surprise me. And he WILL continue to do worse than I can currently imagine.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)... reporting or quote?
tblue37
(65,403 posts)http://thesteeledossier.com
zaj
(3,433 posts)So much to investigate!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)That and/or some of them are up to their eyeballs in it as well
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tblue37
(65,403 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)But I have never once heard our US news media speculating about that.
tblue37
(65,403 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Now, we must endure the news cycle of pedophiles at play and criminals in our WH. This is not who we could be or should be.
In the end, they will all go down with humpty over the wall with a load crash and removal from office at the ballot box and in public opinion.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)....it was an extremely effective marketing campaign for him that worked for years.
So seeing his reputation falling to this....it's like a goddamn Greek Tragedy, I tell you.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)For Rudy after he called a Press Conference to announce he was getting a divotce,( his wife heard it then),and moved his Misstress into the Mansion while his wife and kids lived on the other side.
And he milked 9/11.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)scum sucking lowlife POS
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)Also makes one wonder what sort of under the table crap they may have pulled (re real estate) during his mayoral gig.
Both appear to be hopelessly amoral......
calimary
(81,318 posts)was PUBLICLY HUMILIATED by that bastard. She was a public figure herself, a high-profile New York television personality. He fucking HUMILIATED her before the entire city! Trotting out Judy Nathan, his backstage girl with the champagne tastes, with whom he was messing around while married to Donna Hanover. They eventually married.
And of course, now THEYRE in the midst of a divorce because he eventually messed around on HER, too. Gee, Im shocked ... NOT!!!
And YES he milked that Americas Mayor thing almost to a level of obscenity. And of course in the wake of 9/11, opportunistic schmucks like him took full em advantage and exploited that tragedy for WAY more than even it was worth. What a fucking ghoul - seeking fame and money and prestige on the pulverized bodies of some 3,000+ victims and their devastated surviving families.
HORRID excuse for a human being. No wonder hes teamed up with a dump like trump. They deserve each other.
But the rest of us dont deserve either one of them.
Here: I found this tasty little piece of whipped cream delight that in its opening paragraph puts a cherry on top by referring to him as a sentient set of dentures!!!!! He fucking deserves those horrifying excuses for teeth - at the very least!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thecut.com/amp/2018/04/rudy-giuliani-divorce-donna-hanover-judith-nathan.html
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Teminds me of Colbert showing a picture of Junior and Eric. Hair slicked back,eyes popped and teeth bared .
calimary
(81,318 posts)RockRaven
(14,972 posts)but Cohen certainly doesn't believe those lawyers were working for him (as evidenced by the fact he didn't pay the bill) and even if that were otherwise, if the lawyers were engaged in illegal activity, then attorney-client privilege is moot anyway.
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)I thought that was pretty odd that they tried to bill him.
RockRaven
(14,972 posts)multiple times to try to sort out if they would represent the person or not. But these guys were chasing a relationship with Cohen, not the other way around.
Also, I assume shyster motives of anyone who willingly associates with Giuliani.
calimary
(81,318 posts)If they approached him, and he never took them up on it, then why should he pay them for their services?
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)They should had sent the bill to Giuliani.
Runningdawg
(4,520 posts)DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)He's been getting away with this type of crap all his life.
America's mayor my ass.
George II
(67,782 posts)SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)PatSeg
(47,501 posts)It is republicans who demand people get locked up without due process.
SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)PatSeg
(47,501 posts)So many crimes in plain sight these days, there are bound to be indictments on the way. This getting so exhausting.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)Break a judge imposed gag order? No problem.
Threaten Democratic Party leaders? No problem.
Get involved in an illegal sex ring? No problem.
But break a local law, like having some marijuana...go to prison.
real Cannabis calm
(1,124 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)you know - like this guy and his two assistant "lawyers"
shanny
(6,709 posts)was hoist by the RICO petard he pioneered the protocol for.
REALLY sweet.
calimary
(81,318 posts)real Cannabis calm
(1,124 posts)edhopper
(33,587 posts)my thoughts too.