It doesn't matter. The GOP will manuafacture talking points. They don't have to try to parse words or mis quote a speaker.

They will just make something up. They won't even use this. They will change it and what they use won't be what she said. No matter what.

You are shadow boxing. You can never hit the target. Stop blaming dems for messages the gop might misuse.

Is she factually wrong? I don't think so. It's an opinion. It may not be my opinion, but she has a right to it.

do you think the GOP won't jump on and try to make into a negative?

And I agree with you. You don't serve talking points up to the competition.

They are obsessed with demonizing Dems, all of 'em, anyone, doesn't matter who or why. Their lies are sometimes so ridiculously cartoonish that you have to laugh even though you know there are a lot low info voters who will believe everything.

Any Dem whose name appears in the national media will become an open target of Republican harassment, villified, intimidated and forced to respond to falsehoods that are then ricocheted around by unethical press reporting without verification. Its and endlessly, self perpetuating phenomenon the grows to monstrous proportion and provides fodder for still more attacks.

The right-wing media machine would chew Him to little pieces. Why did He wait so long to return? The Twelve Apostles were all men, and He never married. Is He, perhaps, a homosexual? Were the Gospels really written to advance a "gay agenda". Here's Wolf Blitzer with his special guest Franklin Graham to provide a detailed analysis...

It never ends.

is all in on these specific talking points, complete with bona fide videos quoting the Dem speakers.

trump is ignorant, etc., but he has a very effective talent for maximizing hate. trump's manufactured casual lies don't get the coverage that these specific Dem problems do; and have diluted coverage of Manafort, Cohen hearings, other House Committee hearing, trump problems, . . .

I see fox about 2 hours per week, at various times at my gym [involuntarily]. fox hosts are obviously, you can see it, smiling and laughing at the latest Dem intra party conflict. Dem cover stories for these problems are not very effective, even within the Dem party.

I expect in 1 year and a half she gets primaried. If she keeps behaving like this, I'll donate.

with what you wrote Her criticism of Obama was factually wrong. Her criticism of McCain inappropriate and stupid.

I, too, will donate if she gets primaried.

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And the reality is, Americans have ourselves to blame. There is no way we would support greater numbers of our troops being killed in equivalent missions, and so our military has invested in drones, and our politicians (of both parties) are only too happy to not have to explain to their constituents why so many flag-draped coffins are arriving back home.

Thanks.

Just because she's making valid criticism is not a reason to label her with the label GOP.

Obama was not perfect. Just like Trump isn't perfect. We're not MAGAts though. We admit there are flaws that should be corrected.

program".

is your standard for proper behavior? Who knew?

to deflect.

Senator Sanders saying that, I don't even see what I wrote that makes you think I did. I just don't understand why you interjected him into this discussion as I can't think of anyone with a more irrelevant opinion on the matter.

still meaningless.

of President Obama with the maniac trump is "meaningless".

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Senator Sanders.

Obama?

Who said that? Certainly not me.

You know, like Democrats' being in favor of infanticide and operating child sex rings out of pizza restaurant basements.

Why the eff should we care what they say? It is not as though we can "play nice" and they will reciprocate.

And if you are all of those things.... look out!

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The Obama Administration killed many civilians, women and children, with drone strikes.

They also separated families and locked up children at the border.

Many conveniently forget our side does the same stuff when in power but then it's just "GOP talking points" lol, wake up.

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I guess it's ok if my guy only kills 100 innocent people as long as the other guy I hate is killing more, its justified. So I can defend my guy killing innocent civilians because he killed fewer?

What I *AM* saying is you might want to proportionally direct your outrage at the larger number... And what I *AM* saying is you might want to direct your outrage at the CURRENT occupant of the White House. "Scope and scale" -- It isn't hard, is it? Otherwise I suggest you build your time machine and go back to get Obama impeached, then.

If you want to have a discussion on Obama's drone policy then fine, I've had plenty of them over the years on DU and they all end the same. But have that discussion on its own. Don't lazily qualify it with some false equivalency "Trump AND Obama" discussion as if they're both doing the same thing because once your outrage-gasm subsides and you actually dig into the issue you'll see they are not. This was an intellectually bankrupt comparison back when folks tried to do it over immigration and Omar inexplicably parrots both bullshit arguments in the same sentence(!) which is beyond the pale.

(Oh, and those who want to have the "Obama+drones" conversation better be ready for the "Bernie+drones" conversation because we'll be having that one, too)

It's funny to me personally because after being so vocal about drones from 2012-16, the left pretty much stopped giving a rat's ass and dropped the topic altogether once Trump arrived so folks only discovering now that Trump has not only vastly expanded the program, he does it with less oversight and restriction amuses me to no end. Ironically, it didn't escape my notice that there is a LOT of overlap between the anti-drone and the "Anybody but Warmongering Hillary!" crowds, but that is a discussion for another thread...

of killing innocent people?

Those wanted terrorists knew they were being militarily targeted, yet they surrounded themselves with women and children, endangering them and using them as human shields.

They only seperated families when it was determined that the children would be in danger in prison, and the parent couldn't be released due to criminal charges. They always placed children either with relatives or sponsors who were thouroughly vetted.

It wasn't a punitive policy. It is now. So that charge is unfair.

program". So don't forget about that.

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Obama did not "murder" innocent women and children with drone strikes. He targetted terrorists, not women and kids. The terrorists, despute knowing they were being militarily targeted, surrounded themselves with women and kids, endangering them.

And as far as the border apprehensions, Obama had no policy to separate families as a "deterrent." Family separation was rare and only happened when the parents had to be incarcerated. Then the children were given to vetted relatives or appropriate foster care. And THEY WERE KEPT TRACK OF by the Obama administration, not disappeared to who knows where like under Trump. Obama did not close ports of entry to keep immigrants from making requests for asylum, or refuse to consider them, like Trump did.

Our side DOES NOT DO THE "SAME STUFF" as Republicans. Obama certainly didn't.

It is inexcusable of Omar to say the only difference between Obama and Trump policy is "polish." Obama never instituted a Muslim ban. Obama did not lie 8,000 times in 2 years. Obama did not forsake our allies and cozy up to murderous dictators. Obama did not engage in nepotism to staff his White House. Obama did not seek to profit from the presidency. 

Anyone who says there is no substantive difference between Obama and Trump has just killed their credibility.

and that's reason enough to kick her to the curb. Like we need anyone from our side giving the putrid gop help. Fuck her.

I will not be joining you.

Good. Like we need this shit from our own side.

is beyond ridiculous..

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They’re going to rush to his defense?

Really?!