Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:59 PM Mar 2019

We are in a very dangerous place....

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1103819435507236864.html

We are in a very dangerous place because we don't have laws requiring evidence-based elections. If Trump wins the 2020 election due to election fraud, how will we prove the fraud? If Trump legitimately loses but falsely accuses Ds of election fraud, how will we disprove it? 1/




2/ The phrase "evidence-based elections" was coined by @philipbstark, who invented Risk Limiting Audits.
Voting Machines: What Could Possibly Go Wrong?
United States elections are not evidence-based elections. Only two states, Colorado and New Mexico, conduct manual audits sufficiently robust to detect vote tally manipulation. Depending on the type …
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/11/05/voting-machines-what-could-possibly-go-wrong/
3/ Evidence-based elections are the only way to know if electronic election outcomes are legitimate. They require #HandMarkedPaperBallots plus robust manual audits plus a secure (perhaps videotaped) chain of custody between election night and the audit.
4/ We don't require this or do this in the US. It's a terrifying reality as we barrel toward 2020.
5/ It's why I wrote this article. I hope it helps move things toward evidence-based elections.
3 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
We are in a very dangerous place.... (Original Post) pbmus Mar 2019 OP
One thing we should do... Chin music Mar 2019 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2019 #2
I cannot even contemplate another four years of this nightmare. smirkymonkey Mar 2019 #3

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
1. One thing we should do...
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:07 PM
Mar 2019

is quit wondering what repubs will do. Win the election and don't look back. We'll cross that bridge when we get there. When we act in ways pre-reactionary(?) to whatever repubs do...we forget ourselves and what we need. Keep our side of the street clean, and move on.

Response to pbmus (Original post)

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
3. I cannot even contemplate another four years of this nightmare.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:12 PM
Mar 2019

Hell, another two years is almost enough to make me want to throw myself in front of a train. There has got to be a way to have some oversight during the next presidential election - paper ballots, receipts, exit polls - anything, but there has to be a way to prevent them from stealing it again.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»We are in a very dangerou...