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High School basketball player collapses in court during sentencing of assault and battery (Original Post) bigdarryl Aug 2012 OP
Poor little baby... trumad Aug 2012 #1
Prison will only make him worse lunatica Aug 2012 #2
Well---you beat a woman---you go to fucking prison. trumad Aug 2012 #3
To be honest he got off lightly three years he should have been sentenced to 10 years bigdarryl Aug 2012 #4
Well, duh! lunatica Aug 2012 #7
What would you suggest they do with him? Skidmore Aug 2012 #6
I'm not suggesting anything lunatica Aug 2012 #8
So what does society do with someone like this? pipoman Aug 2012 #11
I wish we knew the answer, but we know violence in prison isn't it lunatica Aug 2012 #19
Our society gives him a $100M sports contract blueamy66 Aug 2012 #24
Speaking of pretend tough guys Bonobo Aug 2012 #13
getting what he deserved... belcffub Aug 2012 #5
Big man, over six and a half feet tall, can beat up on women.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #9
From years of dealing with combative pipoman Aug 2012 #12
But faints when he gets sentenced to prison. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2012 #26
Good... Mmm_Bacon Aug 2012 #10
Leniency Maybe erpowers Aug 2012 #14
Get busted for a single joint and most people can kiss a career goodbye.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #15
She was lenient enough... pipoman Aug 2012 #16
"Yes, he beat a woman?" He kicked the girl in the head about five or six times! Chorophyll Aug 2012 #17
No. HappyMe Aug 2012 #18
Actually, I'm pretty angry with the people pushing for leniency for this guy. yardwork Aug 2012 #20
Not About Him Being A sports Star erpowers Aug 2012 #21
I wasn't directing my post at you specifically but at everybody who leaped to this man's defense. yardwork Aug 2012 #22
Outrageous! radicalliberal Dec 2012 #27
This kid is clueless vankuria Aug 2012 #23
Little b-grade athlete thinks his menial skills puts him above the law? Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #25
This is, in fact, what many of the fans want. radicalliberal Dec 2012 #28
Certainly. Example: Penn State. Dawson Leery Dec 2012 #29
 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
1. Poor little baby...
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:25 AM
Aug 2012

Now he meets Bubba in prison.

And no---this isn't meant as a rape reference---this is meant that he aint gonna smack anyone around in the big house.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
2. Prison will only make him worse
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:34 AM
Aug 2012

He already has the temperament and the will to hurt people. If anything he'll be doing the raping after he loses the rest of his humanity in prison.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
7. Well, duh!
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:47 AM
Aug 2012

Did you think I was defending him? My point is that he's a budding Bubba himself. Rape in prison may seem like a wonderful punishment to some, but it's just another way to create hardened criminals. This guy will get out and then he'll be even worse than he is now.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
6. What would you suggest they do with him?
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:41 AM
Aug 2012

He clearly has assaulted her before. When he approached her in the video initially, you could see her drop down and cringe before he even got close to her. What sort of consequence should he have been given? He committed a felony after all.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
8. I'm not suggesting anything
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:50 AM
Aug 2012

But when someone starts talking about how he's gonna meet Bubba in prison like it's something good, they might think that by the time this guy gets out of prison he WILL be Bubba. I don't see anything good about that. He'll be much more of a threat to society.

He can rot in Hell as far as I'm concerned. He got off easy. He should have been given a lot more years for what he did.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
11. So what does society do with someone like this?
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:02 AM
Aug 2012

How do we protect the rest of humanity who do not attempt to murder people from a repeat, likely successful performance?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
19. I wish we knew the answer, but we know violence in prison isn't it
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 09:04 AM
Aug 2012

I like to think that 100 years from now we will have evolved enough to understand the root causes of violence. It's usually violence itself. The judicial system is certainly better than it was 100 years ago and that's out of compassionate thinking. Maybe we can evolve.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
13. Speaking of pretend tough guys
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:09 AM
Aug 2012

Wishing that he will be beat up in prison is only marginally better than wishing he will be raped. Both are assault. One is sexual one is not.

You see no contradiction when you mouth the phrase "Rape isn't about sex, it's about power!" but then wish that power will be used against a man to physically injure him.

Sometimes people don't get shit, but learn enough about posing.

belcffub

(595 posts)
5. getting what he deserved...
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:40 AM
Aug 2012

After the fact he threatened her again... yeah... have a good three years... he's going where he belongs...

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
12. From years of dealing with combative
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:06 AM
Aug 2012

and argumentative people, those who have a history of beating women were almost always kittens when a man came around. The problems were the street fighters who would not even defend themselves if attacked by a woman..they were the real threat to me.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
14. Leniency Maybe
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:10 AM
Aug 2012

Maybe the judge could have been, or should have more lenient. Yes, he beat a women, but he had a chance to go to college and have a career. I am not sure this is legal, but I think the judge should have required this young man to prove that he had been admitted to a college, require him to stay in college for a least one year (he could be drafted after one year), fine him $250,000-$1,000,000 to be given to the ex-girlfriend, require him to get counseling, and give him ten years of probation.

In that way he was still given a chance at a career. However, he would have still been punished and that punishment could have been increased if he got into trouble again.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
15. Get busted for a single joint and most people can kiss a career goodbye..
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:32 AM
Aug 2012

In fact any drug conviction at all makes it impossible to get Federally backed student loans..

I don't think this creep deserves a career if some poor schmuck who was found with a little weed loses their chance in life.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
16. She was lenient enough...
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:39 AM
Aug 2012

From the article, "According to the Cuyahoga County prosecutor’s office, Farmer can file for release once he becomes eligible after 180 days.". It is hard to get into a decent academic program with a felony conviction, even harder with a violent crime conviction...If he did receive a scholarship, it would be from a school which doesn't give a shit about educating him, only about winning basketball games..Society shouldn't bet that people who do such things will self reform, it seldom happens..Would you let him live in your home while he attended college? Me? I wouldn't want him living in my county..

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
17. "Yes, he beat a woman?" He kicked the girl in the head about five or six times!
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:46 AM
Aug 2012

He's lucky she didn't die. I don't think he gets to be rewarded with leniency and a basketball career.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
18. No.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:52 AM
Aug 2012

Beat a woman, go to college, get a big career? Really?

I think the 3 years is lenient enough.

yardwork

(61,702 posts)
20. Actually, I'm pretty angry with the people pushing for leniency for this guy.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 09:41 AM
Aug 2012

According to the article at the link, lots of people begged the judge to be lenient so as not to interfere with this young man's basketball career. The fact that is a star athlete seems to be be more important to a lot of people than the fact that he beat somebody almost to death.

That says a lot about the relative importance of women vs. sports in this country.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
21. Not About Him Being A sports Star
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:58 PM
Aug 2012

Your post may not have been directly pointed at me, but I would like to respond. I did not suggest leniency because he was good at sports. I suggested leniency because he had a chance at life and a career. If he had been given an academic scholarship I would have said let him go to college.

I do not value sports over women.

yardwork

(61,702 posts)
22. I wasn't directing my post at you specifically but at everybody who leaped to this man's defense.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 04:40 PM
Aug 2012

What about the woman he almost killed? What about leniency for her?

vankuria

(904 posts)
23. This kid is clueless
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 04:44 PM
Aug 2012

Has no idea about the seriousness of his crime and no respect for the law. Watching this video of the attack was very difficult. The judge when interviewed even said Farmer tried to intimidate the victim even though there was an order of no contact in place. I'll bet he's shown no remorse for this young woman he abused and probably thinks she deserved it. He obviously has an inflated opinion of himself and probably figured he'd get off with a slap on the hand which is probably why he fainted in court.

Tony Farmer has some serious anger issues and letting him off easy would insure more bad behavior to come and the next time the victim might not be so lucky. He's obviously a talented athlete, seems to have a strong support system and I hope he learns from his stay in prison and can get on with his life when he returns to society.

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