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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:36 AM Aug 2012

In Florida and Ohio, seniors back Romney over Obama on Medicare


By Greg Sargent

Today’s big New York Times/CBS/Quinnipiac poll found some good news for Barack Obama: In Ohio, Wisconsin, and Florida, voters think Obama would do a better job than Mitt Romney handling Medicare by margins of eight to 10 points. Blowback against Paul Ryan?

Well, I’ve got the breakdown of these numbers among seniors, and they are far less encouraging for Obama: In two out of the three states, voters over 65 prefer Romney on Medicare, and in the third, Obama leads, but by a smaller margin. The breakdown sent over by CBS:

* In Florida, 48 percent of seniors say Romney would do a better job on Medicare, versus 44 percent who say that about Obama (the Ryan pick was supposed to be particularly problematic in this state).

* In Ohio, 49 percent of seniors say Romney would do a better job on Medicare, versus 43 percent who say that about Obama.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/in-florida-and-ohio-seniors-back-romney-over-obama-on-medicare/2012/08/23/acab7ab6-ed50-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_blog.html

Seniors need to wake the fuck up.
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In Florida and Ohio, seniors back Romney over Obama on Medicare (Original Post) cali Aug 2012 OP
They have been told by the BOOB TUBE that it will not effect them liberal N proud Aug 2012 #1
Stupid people voting against there interest bigdarryl Aug 2012 #2
It's a national epidemic in this country, stupidity. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #6
Damn, I wish "all" Americans would make a little effort to get just a tiny bit educated about RKP5637 Aug 2012 #3
Sighs DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #4
Stupidity is rampant. hobbit709 Aug 2012 #5
If Romney and Ryan are in, they well might get one F'en surprise when after a few years RKP5637 Aug 2012 #10
of course keep in mind DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #7
It's Greg Sargent. cali Aug 2012 #8
It's kind of irrelevant to seniors. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #9
Most old white people are Republicans BeyondGeography Aug 2012 #11
They're so resistant to change Romney's false Medicare claims reassure them ProgressiveEconomist Aug 2012 #13
The numbers don't seem that bad to me BeyondGeography Aug 2012 #14
Exactly. My parents are 65 and white and conservative too. Jennicut Aug 2012 #19
SAD Mr Dixon Aug 2012 #12
Not good for Romney ProSense Aug 2012 #15
just shows you blueknight Aug 2012 #16
The generation that came of age in the 50s is much more racist... Odin2005 Aug 2012 #17
aye DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #18

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
3. Damn, I wish "all" Americans would make a little effort to get just a tiny bit educated about
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:44 AM
Aug 2012

issues and quit listening to propaganda and con games like a bunch of stooges. The republicans capitalized on how information-limited many Americans are ... the democrats assumed they were awake.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
4. Sighs
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:45 AM
Aug 2012

Many of my relatives sadly are prime examples, but they think that since SS and medicare are laws now, they cannot be undone. I never thought of these people as stupid until now, but part of it is that they really did not like Obama in 2008, even those that hate the GOP think this will make it easy for Hillary to win 2016, at what cost though?

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
5. Stupidity is rampant.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:45 AM
Aug 2012

It's that "I got mine, Jack" attitude. They got their Medicare and Social Security and don't care about anyone else.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
10. If Romney and Ryan are in, they well might get one F'en surprise when after a few years
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:52 AM
Aug 2012

it's decided they don't want all the cash going to seniors ... and some find themselves out on the street and without Medicare wondering WTF happened. Damn, I'm tired of dragging along low-information-ignorant people in life, I really really am. The 'stupid factor' in this country is way too great.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
9. It's kind of irrelevant to seniors.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:50 AM
Aug 2012

They aren't going to be affected by the Romney/Ryan plan. They're never going to lose theirs. Everyone else is in jeopardy.

I believe that was the plan.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
13. They're so resistant to change Romney's false Medicare claims reassure them
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:03 AM
Aug 2012

they are doing the right thing in continuing to vote Republican, as they have for forty years.

BeyondGeography

(39,379 posts)
14. The numbers don't seem that bad to me
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:10 AM
Aug 2012

Too lazy to see if the Medicare differential is less than the overall margin Obama trails by in 65+, but it wouldn't surprise me. Plus, we have two more months to make some inroads. Problem there is, Team Rove has two more months to run bullshit ads that the older folks have a harder time refuting on their own.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
19. Exactly. My parents are 65 and white and conservative too.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 11:53 PM
Aug 2012

There is nothing new here in these polls that we already didn't know. There are some white seniors that will vote for Obama but not many. Too bad my Obama voting Grandmother had to pass away two years ago at 89. She was one of the good ones.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
12. SAD
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:57 AM
Aug 2012
It’s sad that seniors seem to be the most ill informed, maybe too much FOX News or fear of a minority Leader? Old habits die hard.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
15. Not good for Romney
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:10 AM
Aug 2012

Not only did the poll show Obama leading in FL, OH and WI and on Medicare overall, but it also showed problems for Mitt on the issue among seniors. The small margins for that group should have Romney worried, and this

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What’s striking is that the poll also finds very big majorities of seniors in all three states support leaving Medicare as it is, while small minorities support changing it so government provides fixed amounts to spend on insurance. In Florida, it’s 67-24; in Ohio it’s 68-22; and in Wisconsin it’s 60-25. Yet in two of the three states — ones that could decide the presidency — seniors support Romney over Obama on the issue. (A Post poll also found seniors view Ryan favorably by 50-35.)

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/in-florida-and-ohio-seniors-back-romney-over-obama-on-medicare/2012/08/23/acab7ab6-ed50-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_blog.html

The "better job" numbers should give Romney pause, these are much too close for a traditional GOP voting bloc.

Now polling isn't necessarily going to correlate with election results, but McCain won seniors (65 and older) by eight points in Florida and by 11 points in Ohio. Wisconsin was split.

The numbers for "leaving Medicare as is" represents a huge opportunity for the Obama campaign. They need to hammer Romney-Ryan on their plan to end Medicare. Shaving a few points off, even to a split, could be disastrous for Romney.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
18. aye
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 11:49 PM
Aug 2012

and in 2016, we will hear "hillary would have saved medicare" which is codespeak for "Old white Boomers would have followed on of their own." Of course, there is a lovely book called "The pact" which explains that Bill had plans to privatize SocSec before Monica's cigar forced him to crawl back to the left.

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