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By Greg Sargent
Todays big New York Times/CBS/Quinnipiac poll found some good news for Barack Obama: In Ohio, Wisconsin, and Florida, voters think Obama would do a better job than Mitt Romney handling Medicare by margins of eight to 10 points. Blowback against Paul Ryan?
Well, Ive got the breakdown of these numbers among seniors, and they are far less encouraging for Obama: In two out of the three states, voters over 65 prefer Romney on Medicare, and in the third, Obama leads, but by a smaller margin. The breakdown sent over by CBS:
* In Florida, 48 percent of seniors say Romney would do a better job on Medicare, versus 44 percent who say that about Obama (the Ryan pick was supposed to be particularly problematic in this state).
* In Ohio, 49 percent of seniors say Romney would do a better job on Medicare, versus 43 percent who say that about Obama.
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Seniors need to wake the fuck up.
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)The believe the lies!
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)issues and quit listening to propaganda and con games like a bunch of stooges. The republicans capitalized on how information-limited many Americans are ... the democrats assumed they were awake.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Many of my relatives sadly are prime examples, but they think that since SS and medicare are laws now, they cannot be undone. I never thought of these people as stupid until now, but part of it is that they really did not like Obama in 2008, even those that hate the GOP think this will make it easy for Hillary to win 2016, at what cost though?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)It's that "I got mine, Jack" attitude. They got their Medicare and Social Security and don't care about anyone else.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)it's decided they don't want all the cash going to seniors ... and some find themselves out on the street and without Medicare wondering WTF happened. Damn, I'm tired of dragging along low-information-ignorant people in life, I really really am. The 'stupid factor' in this country is way too great.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)This -->is<-- the washington post.
cali
(114,904 posts)He's damned good.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)They aren't going to be affected by the Romney/Ryan plan. They're never going to lose theirs. Everyone else is in jeopardy.
I believe that was the plan.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)ProgressiveEconomist
(5,818 posts)they are doing the right thing in continuing to vote Republican, as they have for forty years.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Too lazy to see if the Medicare differential is less than the overall margin Obama trails by in 65+, but it wouldn't surprise me. Plus, we have two more months to make some inroads. Problem there is, Team Rove has two more months to run bullshit ads that the older folks have a harder time refuting on their own.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)There is nothing new here in these polls that we already didn't know. There are some white seniors that will vote for Obama but not many. Too bad my Obama voting Grandmother had to pass away two years ago at 89. She was one of the good ones.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Not only did the poll show Obama leading in FL, OH and WI and on Medicare overall, but it also showed problems for Mitt on the issue among seniors. The small margins for that group should have Romney worried, and this
Whats striking is that the poll also finds very big majorities of seniors in all three states support leaving Medicare as it is, while small minorities support changing it so government provides fixed amounts to spend on insurance. In Florida, its 67-24; in Ohio its 68-22; and in Wisconsin its 60-25. Yet in two of the three states ones that could decide the presidency seniors support Romney over Obama on the issue. (A Post poll also found seniors view Ryan favorably by 50-35.)
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The "better job" numbers should give Romney pause, these are much too close for a traditional GOP voting bloc.
Now polling isn't necessarily going to correlate with election results, but McCain won seniors (65 and older) by eight points in Florida and by 11 points in Ohio. Wisconsin was split.
The numbers for "leaving Medicare as is" represents a huge opportunity for the Obama campaign. They need to hammer Romney-Ryan on their plan to end Medicare. Shaving a few points off, even to a split, could be disastrous for Romney.
blueknight
(2,831 posts)how fucking stupid they are.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)...than latter generations.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)and in 2016, we will hear "hillary would have saved medicare" which is codespeak for "Old white Boomers would have followed on of their own." Of course, there is a lovely book called "The pact" which explains that Bill had plans to privatize SocSec before Monica's cigar forced him to crawl back to the left.