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I'm reviewing @ManhattanDA indictments of Manafort to see if there's any NY double jeopardy problem.
Manafort was convicted in EDVA for fraud vs Citizens Bank w/r/t Howard St.
As long as today's Lender #1 and Lender #2 are not Citizens (and seems they're not), then no problem.
CORRECTION THREAD: I think we have a NY double jeopardy problem re: Manafort.
Let me first note that I have just spent 2 hours on a train comparing today's new @manhattanda indictment to the old Mueller indictment.
Problem 1: Today's indictment is badly written and confusing...
2/ So here's the problem. In EDVA, Manafort was convicted of bank fraud in his application to Citizens Bank for a completed $3.4M loan on his 29 Howard St. property.
3/ Today's @manhattanda indictment is about Manafort defrauding two unnamed lenders, Lender 1 and Lender 2.
It seems clear now that Lender 1 in most of today's counts is Citizens Bank, and that alleged fraud is for the SAME LOAN in the federal conviction.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)Duncan Levin, a former federal prosecutor who also used to serve in the Manhattan DAs office as its asset forfeiture chief, argued Vances indictment was carefully crafted to avoid the double jeopardy issue.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-manafort-crimes-new-york-20190313-story.html
Levin goes onto say.....snip..
Nonetheless, Levin said its indisputable that Vances indictment is at least partially meant as a warning shot to Trump.
The possibility of a pardon is clearly somewhere in the mix, he said. I think when the possibility of a pardon is dangled out there so often, it played some role in the decision.
Can never have too much info..as long as we know the source..also..the state of NY is about 2-3 weeks from closing the double jeopardy loophole..thru legislation....
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)The law would not apply to individuals already tried and convicted, such as former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort Jr., because the so-called double jeopardy clause attaches at the start of a trial.
RockRaven
(14,974 posts)or something equivalent. I suppose we will have to wait for matters to proceed to find out with any certainty. So long as some of the parties are pseudonymous it is hard to be certain about anything.
It would be nice if Vance could offer a legitimate, unbiased, mistake-free prosecution and not something which reeks of a political agenda (no matter how much I might otherwise like the outcome goal).
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)triron
(22,007 posts)Nevilledog
(51,122 posts)He's doing a piss poor job of analysing the Double Jeopardy issue. So long as the NY crimes charged, yes including those involving Citizens Bank, have unique or additional elements, there is no problem. It's not the victim being the same that causes issues, it's if you have to use the exact same facts to prove all the exact same elements of the previous conviction.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Here's a former Fed prosecutor's take.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211918694
Nevilledog
(51,122 posts)Then you would have to know which evidence the prosecution was relying on. I think these attorneys are flapping their gums before they have enough information. I've seen stuff so far saying the turning point is whether the charges are transactionally related, or whether it's the same victim, or whether the crimes allege the same type of harm. None of those are dispositive as to any double jeopardy claims.
I'll give you some examples:
Manafort convicted of robbing bank A on January 1, 2020
And
Manafort convicted of robbing bank A on January 2, 2020
NOT double jeopardy because 2 separate robberies, even though same victim.
Manafort convicted of possessing meth on January 1, 2020
And
Manafort convicted of possession of meth for sale on January 1, 2020
NOT double jeopardy because possession for sale has additional element of intent to sell, even though same drugs possessed at same time (these sentences would undoubtedly be concurrent)
I'm not saying there absolutely cannot be double jeopardy issues. What I'm saying is people are making judgment calls without relevant informant.
I am a criminal defense attorney with 27 years experience.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)about this now, and I hope you're right -- that Vance drafted this as carefully as you would have.
Nevilledog
(51,122 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Nevilledog
(51,122 posts)He could also be looking at additional cases from separate indictments. It's not at all unusual for a defendant to be facing multiple cases. Most I ever had was a client with 10 open felony cases. It really depends on the local practice of the prosecuting entity. Having disparate charges all contained in a single indictment leads to requests for severance because having one jury hear how the defendant likely committed different types of crimes against multiple victims would be too prejudicial.