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LAS14

(13,783 posts)
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 09:24 PM Mar 2019

Happy Leprechaun Day! What's the future of holidays?

Now that we are so diverse and happy to value it, our holidays are becoming contentless. St. Patrick's Day is now Leprechaun Day, according to my grandsons. We all know Christmas ceased to be a religious holiday a long time ago. Halloween, which long ago lost its connection with All Saint's Day is becoming a really big deal. But there's nothing to celebrate except the celebration. Maybe the 4th of July will be our only grounded holiday.... and then only if we can get our country back on a track that would let us celebrate.

Do you think holidays that actually celebrate something are permanently in the past?

tia
las

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Happy Leprechaun Day! What's the future of holidays? (Original Post) LAS14 Mar 2019 OP
Holidays will continue as long as people want to have fun rurallib Mar 2019 #1
The solstices and equinoxes are unambiguous jberryhill Mar 2019 #2
As orthodox Jews, however, the disciples did celebrate the Jewish Passover, struggle4progress Mar 2019 #6
Which is still an equinox observance jberryhill Mar 2019 #10
IIRC Passover begins with the first full moon in the spring struggle4progress Mar 2019 #11
I detest holidays! Bluesaph Mar 2019 #3
Thanksgiving is huge Polybius Mar 2019 #4
Yeah, I forgot about Thanksgiving. LAS14 Mar 2019 #5
You can thank your parents, your husband or wife, your neighbor, Raine Mar 2019 #8
and really is there a leprechaun day?? I've never heard of that.... a kennedy Mar 2019 #7
I like holidays, they mark periods of time Raine Mar 2019 #9

rurallib

(62,444 posts)
1. Holidays will continue as long as people want to have fun
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 09:35 PM
Mar 2019

Many holidays were stolen from pagan feasts and made into religious holidays. Now they seem to be reverting somewhat, but people can still have fun.

And the holidays still celebrate something (eg winter solstice & return of the sun) just maybe not what some folks like.
Did you ever think the green of St. Pat's Day has anything to do with Spring?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. The solstices and equinoxes are unambiguous
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 09:43 PM
Mar 2019

Christmas and Easter remain firmly grounded in the winter solstice and spring equinox. That they have lost the Christian spin on them is more of a return to what they had been traditionally about in the first place. The apostles did not observe either Christmas or Easter. They are simply not Christian holidays, but were accommodations to those traditional solar observances.

The summer solstice is close enough to July 4.

All we need to do is move Halloween back a bit to September for the fall solstice, and call it done.

struggle4progress

(118,332 posts)
6. As orthodox Jews, however, the disciples did celebrate the Jewish Passover,
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:07 PM
Mar 2019

which is almost always near the Christian Easter

Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox. So Easter can fall anywhere from March 22 to April 25

Passover begins the evening of 14 Nissan with the full moon, which is often the first full moon after the vernal equinox. But the Jewish lunar calendar, which from time to time inserts a month so as not to drift too far from the solar year, complicates matters

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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. Which is still an equinox observance
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 06:57 AM
Mar 2019

Given that there is no support whatsoever for a historical plague upon the firstborn of Egypt, or for an exodus for that matter, it’s pretty clear that the origins of that equinox observance lay elsewhere. It’s not some sort of accident that entirely different cultures had celebrations at approximately the same time.

struggle4progress

(118,332 posts)
11. IIRC Passover begins with the first full moon in the spring
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 11:39 AM
Mar 2019

and the earlier dating of the holiday depended on the seeing certain signs, such as flowering

The relation to an astronomical event, such as the equinox, could then arise later from the fact that the astronomy could be related to the season

So it seems not to be exactly the equinox observance you would claim

Bluesaph

(703 posts)
3. I detest holidays!
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 10:07 PM
Mar 2019

Just capitalism’s excuse to make us go spend our money on junk to throw away a week later.

Hate Christmas. Hate Halloween. Hate valentines. Hate Easter. Hate them ALL! I even hate the Fourth of July since the American flag got hijacked by right wingers as their own personal article of worship.

I’m not religious at all ... not even pagan which is the origin of almost all holidays.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
5. Yeah, I forgot about Thanksgiving.
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 10:49 PM
Mar 2019

Except that, I guess it assumes a belief in some higher power, otherwise who are you thanking?

Raine

(30,540 posts)
8. You can thank your parents, your husband or wife, your neighbor,
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:17 AM
Mar 2019

your kids, your pets, your friends anyone you feel glad to have in your life because they've made your life better.

a kennedy

(29,699 posts)
7. and really is there a leprechaun day?? I've never heard of that....
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:23 PM
Mar 2019

but be that as it may.....HAPPY LEPRECHAUN DAY to my good humans...... AND I WANT SHAMROCKS TO BUY AND GIVE AWAY. Is that ok to post that here?? *blushing*

Raine

(30,540 posts)
9. I like holidays, they mark periods of time
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:20 AM
Mar 2019

makes it easier to tell one day from another instead of everything blending together.

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