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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:56 AM Mar 2019

Attorney Teri Kanefield writes about Trump's end game and how we're seeing it now.

https://threader.app/thread/1106570523310358528

Graham— as a Trump ally—is behaving according to script.

After the house voted overwhelmingly to release a Mueller report, Graham blocked the Senate from voting & insisted that the Senate vote to look into alleged DOJ/ FBI misconduct . . .

1/ . . . particularly misconduct in the HRC investigation.


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This kind of maneuver is exactly what we can expect as investigations close in on Trump.

I’ve argued that Trump isn't planning a traditional legal defense as investigations close in.


2/ How can he? Trump, Giuliani, Sarah Sanders, etc., lie and constantly change their stories, right out there in public.


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5/ Trump’s critics conclude that Trump is losing his marbles, melting down, and that his lawyers are asleep at the switch.

I believe there’s method to the madness (can happen at the same time as actual madness)

People ask what Trump will do when he’s cornered. You're seeing it.

6/ I used to worry that Trump would start a war to distract from his misdeeds—but that is very 20th century. A war would likely harm Trump’s financial interests and he might even get hurt.

21st century authoritarians have more effective, less bloody, and less costly methods.

7/ 20th century autocrats immunize themselves from by torpedoing truth, undermining law enforcement, and dividing the citizens against each other. Then they keep the fighters fighting.

I'll present 4 related and overlapping modern-autocrat-defenses.


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Attorney Teri Kanefield writes about Trump's end game and how we're seeing it now. (Original Post) pnwmom Mar 2019 OP
She and Seth Abramson are great follows on Twitter. zaj Mar 2019 #1
Yes, I like them both. n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #2
this seems to be good advice ..... rampartc Mar 2019 #3
That seems to be how Pelosi is approaching Trump -- being very dismissive. pnwmom Mar 2019 #4
i think her term as minority leader was a learning experience rampartc Mar 2019 #7
Trump is the Minority President. He lost the 2016 election but Putin stole the Electoral College. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #9
back to the op in this thread rampartc Mar 2019 #12
Yes, when D's opponent(s) is(are) self-destructing, almost always best to simply get out of the way. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #14
keeping calm is what I've advised vlyons Mar 2019 #11
+1 rampartc Mar 2019 #13
O'Donnell did this on his Thursday show DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #16
Graham and other gop Scarsdale Mar 2019 #5
Great thread. So important to keep the big picture in mind. empedocles Mar 2019 #6
As far as I can tell, watoos Mar 2019 #8
I'm really puzzled about Graham. Why is he tainting his reputation and possibly opening himself Vinca Mar 2019 #10
Perhaps tRump or Putin have kompromat on "Linda" Graham, who maybe fears some kind of exposure. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #15
Its not about reputation, its about how much money they will get from corporate america via yaesu Mar 2019 #18
Remember that the RNC server was hacked at the same time as the DNC's. pnwmom Mar 2019 #21
I think this is EXACTLY what is going on, for most of them anyway renate Mar 2019 #25
I think Lindsay is terrified. Someone threatened to reveal the skeletons in His closet. Cousin Dupree Mar 2019 #27
Remember even after all the facts of Watergate DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #17
K&R orangecrush Mar 2019 #19
It's important that we that the Dem nominee be calm and good humored Buckeyeblue Mar 2019 #20
Calm and good humor? Let's see ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2019 #22
Biden would do well Buckeyeblue Mar 2019 #23
Jay Inslee, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobaucher, Julian Castro, etc. pnwmom Mar 2019 #26
That's a good thread and spot on from where I sit peggysue2 Mar 2019 #24
Sucked up in the eye of a tornado and flung into the next galaxy away. magicarpet Mar 2019 #28
Hahahaha! peggysue2 Mar 2019 #29
 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
1. She and Seth Abramson are great follows on Twitter.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:14 AM
Mar 2019

Super insightful threads about Trumpism and Mueller.

rampartc

(5,425 posts)
3. this seems to be good advice .....
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:43 AM
Mar 2019

"19/ To counter this, the left needs to keep cool. Do not add to the hysteria.

I suggest that an appropriate response is: “A few fringe kooks on the far right are talking about Civil War. That’s what we can expect from fringe kooks.”"

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
4. That seems to be how Pelosi is approaching Trump -- being very dismissive.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:45 AM
Mar 2019

He's not worth the trouble. We have a whole country to put first.

rampartc

(5,425 posts)
7. i think her term as minority leader was a learning experience
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:28 AM
Mar 2019

i am very impressed by ms pelosi's approach to trump.

holding a wounded and bleeding trump might be easier than fighting a fresh president pence.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,015 posts)
9. Trump is the Minority President. He lost the 2016 election but Putin stole the Electoral College.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:57 AM
Mar 2019

I've always been impressed by Pelosi.

One of many differences, a key one, is that tRump doesn't learn.

rampartc

(5,425 posts)
12. back to the op in this thread
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:06 AM
Mar 2019

trump will put his own interests above those of the country, with reckless disregard for human life. his supportere think he is smart to do so. i'm flabergasted.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
11. keeping calm is what I've advised
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:05 AM
Mar 2019

over and over here on DU. We just need to focus on electing Dems in 2020.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
16. O'Donnell did this on his Thursday show
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:35 AM
Mar 2019

He took the last word for himself and addressed Trump's "tough guys" comment. He said stay calm, none of law enforcement, the military or even bikers (he noted how motorcycles are now high end transportation) are going to start attacking anyone.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
5. Graham and other gop
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:52 AM
Mar 2019

members prove how little their concern is for the US, with every defense of tRump. A democratic president, doing a fraction of the damage he has done and is still doing, would have been impeached by them long ago. Are they all being blackmailed? Is it all about the Russian money? Hopefully, we will get answers before too long. At this point, Putin could post every video of them online, and nothing would shock me about any of their activities. NOTHING. What is shocking is their acts of treason.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
8. As far as I can tell,
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:49 AM
Mar 2019

Mueller and others are still digging, and that's good. As far as we know, Barr hasn't intervened yet.

Vinca

(50,292 posts)
10. I'm really puzzled about Graham. Why is he tainting his reputation and possibly opening himself
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:00 AM
Mar 2019

up to obstruction charges to protect someone like Donald Trump? Going from loyalty to John McCain to loyalty to Donald Trump makes my head spin. He can't possibly be that desperate for a friend.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,015 posts)
15. Perhaps tRump or Putin have kompromat on "Linda" Graham, who maybe fears some kind of exposure.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:17 AM
Mar 2019

Democrats really are much freer. Buttigieg doesn't fear exposure, for example.

Funny how RepubliCONs like to style themselves as all about freedom and try to project fascist fears onto progressive, liberal, and socialistic policies. Then of course they are all about government interfering into women's bodies, people's love lives, suppressing votes, aiding discrimination, etc.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
18. Its not about reputation, its about how much money they will get from corporate america via
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:55 AM
Mar 2019

cushy jobs or board appointments when they leave office. Their end game has been & always will be money though I do think the russians have compromised graham in some way, child porn, pee tapes, something of that nature.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
21. Remember that the RNC server was hacked at the same time as the DNC's.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:20 PM
Mar 2019

But nothing on it ever was leaked out. Supposedly it was an old server and Lindsey Graham was one of the few who was still using it. Maybe, instead of leaking emails from the server, they were retained for kompromat.

renate

(13,776 posts)
25. I think this is EXACTLY what is going on, for most of them anyway
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:29 PM
Mar 2019

There are some who are afraid of being primaried and that's all. But how about the ones who won't run again for four or six more years, when the entire world will know what Trump's crimes are? Or the ones who are capable of learning from history? They have all seen that in special and midterm elections, being a Trump Republican has hurt their candidates. They can all see two years of investigation and scandal coming down the pike, all focused on Trump and his crimes. But they stick with him. Why?

It must be kompromat for a lot of them.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
17. Remember even after all the facts of Watergate
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:43 AM
Mar 2019

came out, there were still many Rs in Congress who supported him. The impeachment vote out of the House Judiciary committee was not unanimous, only 7 of 17 Rs supported at least 1 of the 3 articles of impeachment.

Even after the "smoking gun" tape came out, 23-24% of Americans continued to believe in Nixon.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
20. It's important that we that the Dem nominee be calm and good humored
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:03 AM
Mar 2019

Someone who can continue to point out how bad 45's policies are and how are policies will be better in the face of chaos. Because 45 will try to make 2020 as chaotic as he can.

If we thought 2016 was bad, 2020 will be 10 times worse. It will be a real test for the Democatic nominee.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,354 posts)
22. Calm and good humor? Let's see ...
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:25 PM
Mar 2019

Biden's got both. Beto seems calm enough, haven't seen the sense of humor. Any others with these qualifications?

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
23. Biden would do well
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:33 PM
Mar 2019

He's seen it all. I don't think the chaos would bother him. I do worry that some of the less experienced candidates have not been tested. But they could prove me wrong.

peggysue2

(10,836 posts)
24. That's a good thread and spot on from where I sit
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:23 PM
Mar 2019

Of course the Trumpster will try his best to divide us and sow confusion. Because . . .

it's all he's got and for many members of the GOP it's the same scenario--compromised and complicit in the biggest heist in American history. Trump has always been a wanna-be king, autocrat, dictator which is why he so admires the thugs around the world. As his legal liability mounts, his flailing will increase.

We need to stay steady on the course with our eyes on the prize. We managed to do this in 2018 and now need to repeat that Blue Wave in 2020.

Trump and his nasty enablers deserve and must be washed out to sea.

magicarpet

(14,157 posts)
28. Sucked up in the eye of a tornado and flung into the next galaxy away.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:57 PM
Mar 2019

... that should be the political destination for trDump Fascists.

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