Hilarious.

That's how their viewers roll. Thinking is so hard. Please tell me (them) what to believe.

You nailed it.

She DOES know how to get right to the point!

"AOC is underwater with every group EXCEPT women, nonwhites, and 18-34 year olds."

"So older, conservative white men are considered “everyone” and everyone else is discounted as an exception. "

Uh, no. It would mean that she's underwater with men, white people, and age groups other than 18-34.

I agree with her underlying point, but the three groups she mentioned are separate polling groups, not a combined one.

The single polling group is the excluded one, "older conservative white men." THEY are the single polling group. (And I'm a member, though I don't vote with most of them.) The stupidity is saying AOC is underwater with "everyone" (meaning older conservative white men) "except" almost literally everyone else, a combined majority of the population.

I'll break it down. Perhaps this will make it clearer.

“AOC is underwater with every group EXCEPT women, nonwhites, and 18-34 year olds."

That means:

1) She is underwater with all age groups other than 18-34.

That doesn't mean "older conservative white men". It means *everyone* over age 34.

2) She is underwater with men as a whole.

That doesn't mean "older conservative white men." It means *all* men.

3) She is underwater with white people as a whole.

That doesn't mean "older conservative white men." It means *all* white people.

To summarize, she's underwater with everyone over 34, men as a whole, and white people as a whole. That isn't even remotely the same thing as she's asserting.

Don't get me wrong. Her assertion about the media is an excellent one. It's just undermined with an argument that is completely false.

You are taking the group (women, nonwhites, and 18-34 year olds) as individual elements and correctly evaluating that each of those elements is a minority.

But the problem is that the whole group (women + nonwhites + 18-34 year olds) is a majority. Those elements overlap, as they do with outside elements like "men," but taken as a group that describes a majority of the electorate.

There isn't really a concise way to describe the opposite of that group except NOT (women + nonwhites + 18-34 year olds). That antigroup is exclusively male, exclusively younger than 18 or older than 34, and exclusively white. That antigroup is a minority.

It's math. Boolean connectors are important.

You can't just lump them together when they are separate entities, because each of the groups has crossover.

*everyone* over age 34 means everyone: men, women, white, non-white

*all* men means: white, non-white, young, old

*all* white people means: young, old, men, women

So, you can't just throw all women into the "majority" calculation, because some women are white and some women are over 34. She's underwater with both of those groups.

Similar logic applies to the other two.

So, this: "NOT (women + nonwhites + 18-34 year olds)" is not accurate.

Sure, the total of the three is a majority, but the equation assumes that all women should be counted and all non-whites should be counted and all young people should be counted. That's clearly not the case. That's where the assertion falls apart.

Then, she threw in "conservative" when political stance wasn't even mentioned.

It sounds like it makes sense if you don't really think about it, and it's a good sound bite. I completely understand how she came to that conclusion and why she said it. It's just not accurate.

If her assertion were true that she's a net-positive with groups that represent a solid majority (something like 65-70%, all added together) of those polled (and assuming Gallup adjusted for demographics, etc.), and that her only negative group is older, conservative, white men (presumably, the other 30%, though that might be high), then her overall plus/minus should be positive, right? Should be simple math.

It's not. She's at 31/41 overall in that same poll.

Not necessarily. There are a lot more voters aged 35 and up than there are aged 18-34. So if she's only up by +4 with all women and +5 with folks less than 35 years old, that could easily be eclipsed if she is down by say -25 with white men over 34 (and probably down -99% with the wrinkly white men brainwashed by Fox).

Quote: “AOC is underwater with every group EXCEPT women, nonwhites, and 18-34 year olds."

"underwater with every group EXCEPT women" means women of all ages as a whole, including women older than 34 year olds. Sure more older women may not like her compared to younger, and that's probably why it was only +4 for women as a group.

I realize that name is taken.

Maybe Ursula Sofia-Austin. That would confuse the hell out of Fox News viewers because suddenly they would suddenly be condemning USA

That makes me ancient.

Now, most people over 34 are paying for my Social Security. So, thanks for that!

Gotta keep the fear and the hate ramped up and focussed with their fanboys and girls.

thats because there is no left wing media. A couple of opinion shows on msnbc does not make left wing media. The MSM are just as happy to go after democrats as they are republicans when our members mess up.

But, she is huge for us. The reason they hate her so much is she has dragged the center of politics over to the left hand side of the dial, being very brave in the process. I have great admiration for her.

The right-wing media publishes endless articles online about every single remark AOC makes in any setting. The trump cultists respond every time with hundreds and HUNDREDS of scared-sounding comments, the gist of which is "She's stupid."

These people have not heard of the Overton Window. They do not understand that the first step in any move toward new policies is talking about those policies. They do not realize that AOC and others like her have shifted the range of topics that are being discussed significantly to the left. Ironically, the trump cultists are themselves part of this process as they grotesquely overreact in the way we can always count on them to do.

I have to think of the Bob Dylan song:

"Something is happening here but you don't know what it is / Do you, Mr. Jones?"