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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:12 AM Mar 2019

New Jersey lawmakers propose resolution asking schools not to teach 'Huckleberry Finn'

Two New Jersey state lawmakers are pushing for a change to school curriculums in the state, specifically requesting that districts stop teaching Mark Twain’s classic novel “Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.”

Democratic state Assembly members Verlina Reynolds-Jackson and Jamel Holley have introduced a nonbinding resolution encouraging schools to remove the 1884 book from their teaching plans, citing the “racist” themes in the novel, according to Politico.

“The novel’s use of a racial slur and its depictions of racist attitudes can cause students to feel upset, marginalized or humiliated and can create an uncomfortable atmosphere in the classroom,” the resolution reads.

“Huckleberry Finn,” which tells the story of a young boy who travels down the Mississippi River with an escaped slave whom he befriends, has long been controversial due to its frequent use of the N-word, which appears in the book over 200 times.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/435060-new-jersey-lawmakers-introduce-resolution-asking-schools-to-stop

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New Jersey lawmakers propose resolution asking schools not to teach 'Huckleberry Finn' (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Mar 2019 OP
Or they could consider using the book as a teaching moment about racism. nycbos Mar 2019 #1
Yes. Also balance it by requiring a book more directly about the black experience. MH1 Mar 2019 #15
as I recall vlyons Mar 2019 #2
You are right exboyfil Mar 2019 #8
One of my college English professors claimed vlyons Mar 2019 #12
It's a lot more than that. Girard442 Mar 2019 #11
It needs to be taught correctly. MH1 Mar 2019 #14
That is the climax of the novel moose65 Mar 2019 #19
And in that way, he models the critical thinking needed to decide against the prevalent racism ProudLib72 Mar 2019 #21
Its like what is said about tv viewing. dubyadiprecession Mar 2019 #3
yes, but we're not talking about adults vlyons Mar 2019 #13
In school you don't have freedom, you have assignments Merlot Mar 2019 #20
This sort of stuff makes us look bad. Captain Stern Mar 2019 #4
Yet another attempt? Paladin Mar 2019 #5
Is that claim true? Cartoonist Mar 2019 #6
good point vlyons Mar 2019 #16
i think it's an adult book but not a racist book. Kurt V. Mar 2019 #7
These idiots are missing the entire point of the book! lagomorph777 Mar 2019 #9
Next up banning A Streetcar Named Desire exboyfil Mar 2019 #10
I have a proposal - how about we START teaching critical thinking skills again! bullwinkle428 Mar 2019 #17
How did Americans become such babies? We can no longer sinkingfeeling Mar 2019 #18
I don't think calling people "babies" is helpful. Caliman73 Mar 2019 #23
I do not think that it should be banned. Caliman73 Mar 2019 #22

MH1

(17,608 posts)
15. Yes. Also balance it by requiring a book more directly about the black experience.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:47 AM
Mar 2019

For example, the Autobiography of Frederick Douglas.

I'm sure there's many others that could be included in a thoughtful curriculum.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
2. as I recall
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:22 AM
Mar 2019

correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't Huck Finn end with Huck realizing that the slave Jim is a decent honorable human being, deserving of being treated with respect and friendship? That would be the teaching point. That we can each overcome the prejudices of our society to use our own minds and experiences to see the true character of other people, rather than the stereotypes imposed on them by prejudiced minds.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
8. You are right
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:34 AM
Mar 2019

For his time Twain was a raging liberal. It seems the novel would be an excellent opening to teaching about the time. It is also one of the finest American novels. We.spent three weeks on it in Honors English. It has a depth and richness to it. I need to reread it. It has been nearly 40 years.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
12. One of my college English professors claimed
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:41 AM
Mar 2019

that Mark Twain said everything there was to say about American culture. Why are we so afraid to look objectively at literature, or anything else for that matter? There are more things and people in the world to experience with aversion than there are stars in the sky.

Girard442

(6,086 posts)
11. It's a lot more than that.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:40 AM
Mar 2019

In defense of his friend, Huck goes against the moral code of his day, even though he still fears violating it will send him to Hell.

It's a powerful moment. I can't see how kids wouldn't benefit by reading it.

MH1

(17,608 posts)
14. It needs to be taught correctly.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:46 AM
Mar 2019

The teacher needs to make sure the novel is understood.


I mean we know kids ALWAYS read the ENTIRE BOOK they are assigned, right?

moose65

(3,169 posts)
19. That is the climax of the novel
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:59 AM
Mar 2019

Huck writes a letter to ole Ms. Watson (was that her name)??, telling her where Jim is and how she can find him. Then he starts to remember all the times that Jim saved him, or protected him, and he realizes that he can't send that letter. Huck still thinks he will go to hell for it, but he makes up his mind, and says "All right then, I'll GO to hell," and tears the letter up.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
21. And in that way, he models the critical thinking needed to decide against the prevalent racism
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:41 AM
Mar 2019

As I recall, Twain includes a lot of description of Huck's thinking process.

dubyadiprecession

(5,730 posts)
3. Its like what is said about tv viewing.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:27 AM
Mar 2019

If you dont like what’s on a channel, change it. Don’t tell me what I can or cannot watch.
The same goes for books. Let people read what they want to read, don’t force them to read something they don’t want to read.
I love my freedom to choose what I want.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
13. yes, but we're not talking about adults
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:45 AM
Mar 2019

We're discussing lessons for children. We don't stop teaching them math or history or civics, just because they don't like it.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
4. This sort of stuff makes us look bad.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:28 AM
Mar 2019

And it should.

As someone else already pointed out, this novel doesn't glorify, or advocate for racism at all.

Paladin

(28,279 posts)
5. Yet another attempt?
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:28 AM
Mar 2019

When I was in college, "Huckleberry Finn" was represented to be The Great American Novel. I'm confident it still is, or close to it. And the runaway slave Jim is without question one of the noblest characters ever to appear in American fiction.

I'm certainly no fan of the "n word." My parents taught me from an early age that it is reprehensible, and I in turn taught my children the same. I am a fan of deriving knowledge and understanding from worthy sources---like Mark Twain's "Huckleberry Finn."

Cartoonist

(7,323 posts)
6. Is that claim true?
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:29 AM
Mar 2019

can cause students to feel upset, marginalized or humiliated and can create an uncomfortable atmosphere in the classroom.

Has there been a parade of humiliated students?

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
16. good point
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:50 AM
Mar 2019

We teach outr children not to use the N-word. But what do we teach them about hearing or reading the N-word? Do we teach them peace, patience and equanimity and not to react with anger?

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
17. I have a proposal - how about we START teaching critical thinking skills again!
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:52 AM
Mar 2019

This NJ proposal is proof we don't have enough of it going on.

sinkingfeeling

(51,482 posts)
18. How did Americans become such babies? We can no longer
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:53 AM
Mar 2019

read a novel and have intellectual discussions about it's content and the words it uses. We need an understanding of our past. We need to be taught why thinking of "The other" as a non person is wrong. Why people of every color, sex, race, and religion contribute value. If we deny books because of their theme, we deny our education of that theme.

Caliman73

(11,755 posts)
23. I don't think calling people "babies" is helpful.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 01:03 PM
Mar 2019

Intellectual discussions about controversial novels are had every day in American schools. I agree that we need to have those discussions and that banning books is not the answer.

The problem is that when you live in a society that still promotes negative views about you based on the color of your skin, it becomes difficult emotionally to cope with it. To see the word "nigger" used casually within a work deemed to be "one of the great American novels" can have a significant psychological effect on people who are routinely given similar messages by the current culture.

People are not being "babies" by admitting that those themes can be disturbing, especially to adolescents who are still forming their identity in relation to the families, communities, and society at large. School should not be a traumatizing place. It doesn't have to be, and a big part of reducing the potential trauma is to have an understanding that there are emotional reactions that have to be mitigated by understanding the source and cause, and having supportive discussion around them.

Caliman73

(11,755 posts)
22. I do not think that it should be banned.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 12:41 PM
Mar 2019

I can certainly understand why the book can be emotionally upsetting to Black Americans especially. I don't think that the Representatives that sponsored the measure are being unreasonable. I do however, disagree with the idea of stopping the teaching of the book.

I think, like others have said, that there a has to be a way of teaching the book to make clear the racial themes within the context of the time period and in the way that Twain intended, as a critique of the culture of the time. I think that it would be good to discuss the feelings it creates, especially among Black students because it is relevant to discuss advances made in race relations as well as the major work that still needs to be done.

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