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from lawyer Dirk Schwenk on Twitter:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1109106591939342336.html
RAGE TWEET Thread on SC Mueller's Report: First off, there are not more than 10 people that really know what is going on inside SC Mueller's office. MAX is Mueller, Rosenstein, Barr(?) (not convinced) and a select group on the Hill.
THE ENTIRE NEWS MICRO CLIMATE that is saying "imminent" or whatever is just reporting on its own rumors that it made up from inadequate or false sourcing. Its froth. Its nothing. Its probably driven by rumors of known liars like those in the WH.
THE WH IS THE TARGET OF A MAJOR COUNTERINTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION. THEY ARE THE TARGET. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE INVESTIGATION.
The notion that Barr took control of the investigation the weekend he was confirmed is HIGHLY UNLIKELY. Every DOJ person goes through intense vetting for conflicts by the Departmental Ethics Office under published DOJ regulations. justice.gov/jmd/department
THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN 45 MINUTES ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON. Sessions was confirmed in February AND RECUSED A MONTH LATER. Whittaker was appointed in November and was reported to have refused to recuse in December. (He was of course sidelined anyway).
Even if Barr has passed conflicts review, he would still have to be brought up to speed on 100s of witnesses; Terrabytes of evidence; and politically electric targets. THIS TAKES TIME. And AGs can commit obstruction of justice, so he would have to take extreme care.
Barr CANNOT under the Special Counsel regulations take control of SC's employees or budget. Those regulations are right here: govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CF
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If the AG removed Mueller, he would have to notify the "Chairman and Ranking Minority Member of the Judiciary Committees of each House of Congress" WITH AN EXPLANATION FOR EACH ACTION. That means FEINSTEIN AND NADLER would be notified.
AG also must notify Congress if took position that "proposed action by Special Counsel was so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Departmental practices that it should not be pursued." SO PROSECUTORIAL DISCRETION REMAINS IN MUELLER'S HANDS.
TO CNN ETC.: Stop covering this like a plane crash! There is literally nothing to see here. If DIFI says theirs a problem, fine. But @RepSwalwell JUST SAID THAT THE POTUS WOULD BE CHARGED. COVER REAL STORIES!
lancelyons
(988 posts)Just because they are confirmed MEANS NOTHING about what they will do.
Sessions was confirmed and lied multiple times and no repercussions.
Barr could squash this entire Mueller report and we might not find out much and he would continue to be the Attorney General.
The Dems could call him over to testify and Barr could say "Get effing lost I am not coming over" and that would be the end of that.
Dont feel bad, you are caught up in what most Dems do.. We believe in being fair, proper, doing the right thing, etc, etc but that is not who controls the country now.
bluescribbler
(2,123 posts)Schiff, Nadler and Cummings will invite Mueller to testify. I have no doubt that he will comply.
lancelyons
(988 posts)And he would be within his power to do this.
Qutzupalotl
(14,331 posts)Barr would not be able to stop a congressional subpoena.
lancelyons
(988 posts)If he was an attorney with the DOJ, he might have some Attorney Client privilege or some other legal scenario that would limit what he could say without having Barr or DOJ permission.
Now if we have our president elected this could change for sure.
Qutzupalotl
(14,331 posts)It is not confirmation that causes an AG to recuse, it is the internal structure and policies at the DOJ.
Sessions lie was when Republicans controlled Congress.
The word you want is quash, not squash.
Dems would invite Mueller, not Barr, to testify, issuing a subpoena if necessary.
I didnt write the piece. If you have a problem with what was written, it up with Dirk. Heres the original thread:
Link to tweet
lancelyons
(988 posts)But I understand you didnt write that.
I meant squash and I pictured squashing a bug.
If the Dems where to subpoena Mueller saying that Barr would allow this and it happened, and then the DEMS released some report after the DOJ came out and said "No Evidence of Collusion" then the Dems report would just be viewed as a Partisan hack job much like we viewed what Nunes and crew put out.
This would perhaps get info out that we believe.. but thats not what is needed. Its information that is credible for all Americans to believe.
lancelyons
(988 posts)In fact its being reported that the white house is telling the house committees, to "...go eff yourself".
If you think the white house is just going to comply you are mistaken.
It could go to courts for years... then to the supreme court. the Rs have this stacked in their favor.
We need to stop acting childishly like we are going to make something happen here.
We have a chance in the 2020 presidential election but other than that, these subpoenas are going to be wrapped up in court for years.
Qutzupalotl
(14,331 posts)There are things he couldnt talk about, such as ongoing investigations, but he would self-police rather than be under someon elses gag order.
I understand your concern, but I think youre being a Chicken Little here.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)and the American people, and Mueller is nowhere close to finishing his investigation?