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SHRED

(28,136 posts) Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:22 PM Mar 2019

People are claiming Mueller was limited to Russian interference

If that's the case then I'd like an explanation for Manafort's convictions.

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People are claiming Mueller was limited to Russian interference (Original Post) SHRED Mar 2019 OP

Obvioulsy trump commited every crime possible including conspiracy and obstruction Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #1

Because he's guilty of conspiracy against the US for starters tirebiter Mar 2019 #2

Cohen SHRED Mar 2019 #3

Mueller was limited. LiberalFighter Mar 2019 #4

Yet SHRED Mar 2019 #6

His crimes were discovered during the investigation. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #5

(ii) SHRED Mar 2019 #7

Not if Mueller felt they weren't part of the scope... TwilightZone Mar 2019 #11

Trump victory. And I'm not normally quick to give up. ALBliberal Mar 2019 #8

Jared and Junior were never interviewed by Mueller SHRED Mar 2019 #9

Wanting to throw up ALBliberal Mar 2019 #13

Oh FFS.Nobody even knows the title of the report let alone what's actually in it. meadowlander Mar 2019 #15

Ok..... I'll reply back in a few days ALBliberal Mar 2019 #16

Not so fast, we're not done with Manafort yet and there are 36 other criminals tirebiter Mar 2019 #10

Manafort's convictions were for matters not directly related to the election. Hoyt Mar 2019 #12

Part of the charges (the ones tried in DC) meadowlander Mar 2019 #14

Eliot Rosewater

(31,113 posts)

1. Obvioulsy trump commited every crime possible including conspiracy and obstruction

Reply to SHRED (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:28 PM

Mar 2019

but he cant be indicted.

I thought Jr and Kushner would be and Assange. I am disappointed but if I give up on the report then we are hopeless, I am not there yet.

tirebiter

(2,538 posts)

2. Because he's guilty of conspiracy against the US for starters

Reply to SHRED (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:41 PM

Mar 2019

Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy against the US and one count of conspiracy to obstruct justice

SHRED

(28,136 posts)

3. Cohen

Reply to tirebiter (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:42 PM

Mar 2019

That's not Russia related either.

LiberalFighter

(51,020 posts)

4. Mueller was limited.

Reply to SHRED (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:43 PM

Mar 2019

That is why he handed off non Russian interference to other districts. That don't have the restriction.

SHRED

(28,136 posts)

6. Yet

Reply to LiberalFighter (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:45 PM

Mar 2019

Mueller handed down indictments unrelated to Russia yet Jared and Junior walk free?

I'm striving for clarity.
I'll admit I'm in the dark.

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)

5. His crimes were discovered during the investigation.

Reply to SHRED (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:44 PM

Mar 2019

Covered by (ii) below:

(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii)any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii)any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

SHRED

(28,136 posts)

7. (ii)

Reply to TwilightZone (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:48 PM

Mar 2019

Why Jared and Junior aren't in this I don't know.
They should have been interviewed don't you think?

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)

11. Not if Mueller felt they weren't part of the scope...

Reply to SHRED (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:58 PM

Mar 2019

of the investigation and/or referred them to other jurisdictions.

From what I recall, no one has faced charges re: the Trump Tower meeting, so there could a) not be enough information for Mueller to indict, or b) it's been referred elsewhere for pursuit.

ALBliberal

(2,344 posts)

8. Trump victory. And I'm not normally quick to give up.

Reply to SHRED (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:51 PM

Mar 2019

SHRED

(28,136 posts)

9. Jared and Junior were never interviewed by Mueller

Reply to ALBliberal (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:52 PM

Mar 2019

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

ALBliberal

(2,344 posts)

13. Wanting to throw up

Reply to SHRED (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 03:28 AM

Mar 2019

meadowlander

(4,399 posts)

15. Oh FFS.Nobody even knows the title of the report let alone what's actually in it.

Reply to ALBliberal (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 03:34 AM

Mar 2019

Take a chill pill and watch Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell. They explain why it's *way* too early to call this a Trump victory.

ALBliberal

(2,344 posts)

16. Ok..... I'll reply back in a few days

Reply to meadowlander (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 03:36 AM

Mar 2019

Have a good evening!!

tirebiter

(2,538 posts)

10. Not so fast, we're not done with Manafort yet and there are 36 other criminals

Reply to SHRED (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:57 PM

Mar 2019

New York Charges Manafort With 16 Crimes. If He’s Convicted, Trump Can’t Pardon Him.

The new state charges against Mr. Manafort are contained in a 16-count indictment that alleges a yearlong scheme in which he falsified business records to obtain millions of dollars in loans, Mr. Vance said in a news release after the federal sentencing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyregion/manafort-indictment.html

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)

12. Manafort's convictions were for matters not directly related to the election.

Reply to SHRED (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 11:46 PM

Mar 2019

meadowlander

(4,399 posts)

14. Part of the charges (the ones tried in DC)

Reply to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 03:32 AM

Mar 2019

were related to him giving campaign polling data to a known Russian intelligence operative (Kostya Kilimnick).

Mueller was also making the case that Manafort was in debt to Oleg Deripaska for millions of dollars which was why he was trying to secure fraudulent bank loans and why he agreed to work for the Trump campaign for free (because he was getting a quid-pro-quo from Deripaska on behalf of Putin).

That's the link to Russian interference.

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