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bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:18 PM Mar 2019

What is 'chlorinated chicken'? Seems US cannot export it to EU but could to post-Brexit UK

Heard about this watching James O'Brien's attempts to explain the problems post-Brexit UK will have at the border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.

As I understand it, he claims we wash chicken carcasses in chlorine to try to destroy the stuff that sticks to them because of the filthy way we raise them. Is this true? Do most people in US know this, and I haven't been paying attention?

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What is 'chlorinated chicken'? Seems US cannot export it to EU but could to post-Brexit UK (Original Post) bobbieinok Mar 2019 OP
I dunno, but chlorine is quite a volatile (meaning it quickly evaporates and disappears) gas ... mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #1
It seems odd to me that anyone Harker Mar 2019 #2
As I understand it, the chlorine itself isn't the problem. unblock Mar 2019 #3
Sounds kinda gross, I'll admit, but ... mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #5
Want to be horrified? Look at the foods that are sold here that are banned by the EU. PSPS Mar 2019 #4
plus a million Celerity Mar 2019 #6
Chicken necks Aussie105 Mar 2019 #7
It's a way to kill salmonella germs dawg day Mar 2019 #8
The farm market chicken I buy... Historic NY Mar 2019 #9
It's largely about the conditions the chickens can be reared in muriel_volestrangler Mar 2019 #10
I thought irradiating chicken was common here in the USA? BSdetect Mar 2019 #11
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. I dunno, but chlorine is quite a volatile (meaning it quickly evaporates and disappears) gas ...
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:28 PM
Mar 2019

Also, we swim in chlorinated water, and our tap water is treated with chlorine, and we eat a metric TON of 'sodium chloride', so ... not prepared to freak out about 'chlorinated chicken' without a deeper understanding of just how 'bad' it is.

Is the 'brined' chicken I bought at the store the other day 'chlorinated'? I would tend to guess that it is, at least in some sense. Salt being 1/2 chlorine and all.

But that's just me

Harker

(14,049 posts)
2. It seems odd to me that anyone
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:33 PM
Mar 2019

who would eat dead birds might be more troubled by something that might be "stuck" to them.

unblock

(52,352 posts)
3. As I understand it, the chlorine itself isn't the problem.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:36 PM
Mar 2019

The chlorine itself is roughly akin to chlorine being used to make drinking water safe. It remains present in small enough quantities to not be a problem, and it kills germs both in water and in chicken.

The problem is that chicken producers who chlorinate at the end of the slaughtering process can then rely on that to kill germs and therefore allow cheaper and less sanitary conditions during the chickens' lives and during the slaughtering process.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
5. Sounds kinda gross, I'll admit, but ...
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:52 PM
Mar 2019

If the chlorine does in fact kill all the germs, and you're not eating them ... I'm not entirely sure it matters?

I mean, as long as 'internally sick' chickens aren't part of our food, and we're just talking external germs. Which then die from chlorine.

If we are allowing actual sick chickens to be part of our food ... and treating them with chlorine, that becomes a lot more distressing to me, because that would involve a LOT of chlorine to kill off germs. Like it has get ALL in the tissue ... that's a nasty thought. You're not just 'lightly steaming' them with chlorine, you'd be like injecting the tissue with it. Who knows if you kill all the nasties.

Aussie105

(5,444 posts)
7. Chicken necks
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:06 AM
Mar 2019

is what I feed my dogs as part of their regular diet.

At times, they smell of bleach.

As far as I know, washing chicken parts with bleach post processing kills surface germs, so the meat is safer to eat, or lasts longer before smelling off.

I know the ones I buy, last for 2 days before going smelly, while the ones that smell like bleach initially, last a day or more longer.
Dogs don't mind either way.

But raw chicken is a known carrier of lots of surface germs, so bleach washing is for safety. Wash it thoroughly before cooking either way, and cook it thoroughly.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
8. It's a way to kill salmonella germs
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:12 AM
Mar 2019

I don't know if it's good or bad, but it's effective in doing that, apparently.

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
9. The farm market chicken I buy...
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:29 AM
Mar 2019

tastes better and isn't a slimy as the grocery store variety. They buy from local farms and one larger processor with a high reputation.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
10. It's largely about the conditions the chickens can be reared in
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 06:06 AM
Mar 2019
It's not consuming chlorine itself that the EU is worried about - in fact in 2005 the European Food Safety Authority said that "exposure to chlorite residues arising from treated poultry carcasses would be of no safety concern". Chlorine-rinsed bagged salads are common in the UK and other countries in the EU.

But the EU believes that relying on a chlorine rinse at the end of the meat production process could be a way of compensating for poor hygiene standards - such as dirty or crowded abattoirs.
...
A study from the University of Southampton last year found that chlorine could make food-borne pathogens undetectable, giving lower microbial counts in testing, but without actually killing them - so they might remain capable of causing disease.

They tested chlorine-washed strains of food-borne bacteria on roundworms and all of them died.

The World Health Organization has also cast some doubts over how much bacteria chlorine kills, and studies of its effectiveness have had mixed results.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47440562

https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Headlines/Food-Safety/UK-defends-poultry-standards
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