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demmiblue

(36,903 posts)
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 11:37 AM Mar 2019

Second Parkland shooting survivor dies by suicide, police confirm

A second Parkland shooting survivor has killed himself, Coral Springs police confirmed on Sunday.

Investigators told the Miami Herald that a current Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student died in “an apparent suicide” on Saturday night.

Police are still investigating.

Though police could not confirm the age of the student, Coral Springs police spokesman Tyler Reik said the student was a juvenile. Sources say the student was a male sophomore. His name has not been released.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article228350134.html


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Second Parkland shooting survivor dies by suicide, police confirm (Original Post) demmiblue Mar 2019 OP
How can they not look at how little our country has done in face of their & other school massacres, hlthe2b Mar 2019 #1
No words malaise Mar 2019 #4
we do nothing to prevent a repeat Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2019 #53
New Zealand listened to the victims and banned assault weapons. Initech Mar 2019 #56
Damn. catbyte Mar 2019 #2
+1. "Great patriots who are on our side" dalton99a Mar 2019 #9
Would have rushed in keithbvadu2 Mar 2019 #14
Getting ready to rush in keithbvadu2 Mar 2019 #16
New Zealand got busy and did something w/in 1 week and still we do nothing here. Botany Mar 2019 #3
Too bad they couldn't come together like they did after 9/11 and do something. LuvNewcastle Mar 2019 #44
"It could have been different if only they had been given guns!" struggle4progress Mar 2019 #5
The only thing different would have been body counts. This argument infuriates me tymorial Mar 2019 #7
Suicides are also a component of gun violence struggle4progress Mar 2019 #15
Yes indeed. I was specifically speaking about school shootings but you arent wrong tymorial Mar 2019 #33
And these two kids, after surviving a school shooting, both shot themselves struggle4progress Mar 2019 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2019 #6
The people in the town where Sandy Hook is located made a wise decision. Blue_true Mar 2019 #10
Which should be paid for by the ones who profit from easy access t guns. Nt lostnfound Mar 2019 #28
I have read before that cluster suicides can happen to connected kids when they Blue_true Mar 2019 #8
Which should be paid for by the ones who profit from easy access to guns. Nt lostnfound Mar 2019 #29
Sad Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #11
a search of limbaugh transcripts will show he led constant attacks on the parkland activists, certainot Mar 2019 #12
+1. Very important point dalton99a Mar 2019 #18
Yes. They villianized the kids for standing up to murder. Right wing scum. Evolve Dammit Mar 2019 #21
F**k. No words. CaptainTruth Mar 2019 #13
. AwakeAtLast Mar 2019 #17
.... cp Mar 2019 #19
These deaths should be added to the charges. nt B Stieg Mar 2019 #20
+1. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #49
Each and every gun death, even delayed CaptYossarian Mar 2019 #22
Damn ... uponit7771 Mar 2019 #23
Oh, Damn! MineralMan Mar 2019 #24
So now they think all teachers are Wyatt Earp... world wide wally Mar 2019 #25
The shooting put the survivors in an emotionally difficult place aikoaiko Mar 2019 #26
Guns, the gift that keeps on giving . . . flamin lib Mar 2019 #35
How many of these students have been subject to harassment by gun nuts? DBoon Mar 2019 #27
This country is fucked up. Our "leaders" just dont give a fuck. JDC Mar 2019 #30
Our society really doesn't help people - especially men. Oneironaut Mar 2019 #31
And the vicious trolling of mass shooting victims since Sandy Hook doesn't help either. Initech Mar 2019 #55
It's totally messed up. Social media is an oxymoron. Oneironaut Mar 2019 #59
.... Talitha Mar 2019 #32
The way this country treats mass shooting victims is as horrifying as the shooting themselves. Initech Mar 2019 #36
despair is rampant in this country, an uncontrollable symptom of living in a capitalistic yaesu Mar 2019 #37
Agree! It is so misleading when this economy is called good mvd Mar 2019 #38
And not only that, vile scumbags like Alex Jones piled salt on the wound. Initech Mar 2019 #43
Nice damn summary. Nt BootinUp Mar 2019 #48
Violence leaves its mark on survivors bronxiteforever Mar 2019 #39
OMG. So tragic. RIP. iluvtennis Mar 2019 #40
; ( defacto7 Mar 2019 #41
When I worked in ICU TNNurse Mar 2019 #42
... Raster Mar 2019 #45
Damage done by mass shootings does NOT stop with the event! pazzyanne Mar 2019 #46
Awful. Nt BootinUp Mar 2019 #47
Those poor people LittleGirl Mar 2019 #50
PTSD is a bummer nitpicker Mar 2019 #51
Oh god, this is just so horrible. smirkymonkey Mar 2019 #52
another link (no paywall) orleans Mar 2019 #54
OMG, this is so tragic. I wish this young man could have had the help he needed. sueh Mar 2019 #57
Young people die while old people give thoughts and prayers IronLionZion Mar 2019 #58

hlthe2b

(102,418 posts)
1. How can they not look at how little our country has done in face of their & other school massacres,
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 11:40 AM
Mar 2019

especially in light of how rapidly and effectively NZ's government has handled their horrific shootings, and not be totally disheartened.

This is just a miserable situation. Please find peace, my young friend.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,480 posts)
53. we do nothing to prevent a repeat
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:50 PM
Mar 2019


From http://all-hat-no-cattle.blogspot.com/2019_03_22_archive.html

Days it took New Zealand to change their gun laws: 6
Days since:
Pittsburgh Synagogue - 146
Parkland - 401
Sutherland Springs - 502
Las Vegas - 537
Pulse Nightclub - 1,013
San Bernardino - 1,206
Sandy Hook - 2,289
Aurora - 2,436
Virginia Tech - 4,358
Columbine - 7,276

Initech

(100,107 posts)
56. New Zealand listened to the victims and banned assault weapons.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:09 PM
Mar 2019

Here, trolls like Alex Jones tell mass shooting victims to go fuck themselves. And now this happens.

catbyte

(34,483 posts)
2. Damn.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 11:42 AM
Mar 2019

Fuck the NRA and fuck all of the spineless politicians who kowtow to their culture of death. I am so ashamed of this government. R.I.P., precious one.

dalton99a

(81,636 posts)
9. +1. "Great patriots who are on our side"
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 11:55 AM
Mar 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/us/politics/trump-school-shooter-florida.html
Trump Says He Would Have Rushed in Unarmed to Stop School Shooting

Mr. Trump said that was his message during his lunch on Sunday with Wayne LaPierre, the head of the N.R.A., and Chris W. Cox, the group’s top lobbyist. He called the pair “great patriots” and “great people” who want to “do something” quickly to prevent more school shootings.

“Don’t worry about the N.R.A. They’re on our side,” the president told the governors. “You guys — half of you are so afraid of the N.R.A. There’s nothing to be afraid of. And you know what? If they’re not with you, we have to fight them every once in a while. That’s O.K.”


Botany

(70,613 posts)
3. New Zealand got busy and did something w/in 1 week and still we do nothing here.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 11:43 AM
Mar 2019

I don't know if passing better and stronger gun laws would have saved these two
from their PDST and inner demons but they would have and will had in the future
saved more people.

My heart breaks for all those "kids.*"


* In many ways they are more adult than the rest of us.

LuvNewcastle

(16,860 posts)
44. Too bad they couldn't come together like they did after 9/11 and do something.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 02:11 PM
Mar 2019

Maybe if we could figure out a way to help the MIC profit from stopping school shootings, we'd have that problem licked by now.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
5. "It could have been different if only they had been given guns!"
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 11:44 AM
Mar 2019
... The death comes just about a week after a recent Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School graduate, Sydney Aiello, took her own life after being diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Broward County Medical Examiner’s Office told NBC News that Aiello died from a gunshot wound to the head. Ryan Petty, father of Alaina Petty, a 14-year-old freshman who was one of 17 people murdered on Feb. 14. 2018, told the Miami Herald the student who died Saturday also died from a gunshot wound to the head ...

Second Parkland shooting survivor dies by suicide, police confirm
BY MONIQUE O. MADAN
MARCH 24, 2019 10:57 AM,

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
7. The only thing different would have been body counts. This argument infuriates me
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 11:52 AM
Mar 2019

Are the teachers and staff going to have their guns drawn the entire day just waiting for a rogue gunman? Are they going to always be perfect with their shot and hit center mass everytime? Are they going to be forced to take proficiency exams on a regular basis? No. They are not.

More likely the gun will be in their drawer and while sure, the end result of the school shooter ending his rampage may end sooner, there is no guarantee if this outcome what so ever. The shooter will absolutely murder students and staff before it is over. He could take a hostage as a body shield and force the armed staff to stand down all the while he goes on killing. And what is the teacher to do??? Shoot the hostage and then the murderer. Oh yeah, that's a great result.

I am so fucking tired of the arming teachers argument. Anyone with two brain cells and 2 minutes of forethought would realize this is a terrible idea.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
34. And these two kids, after surviving a school shooting, both shot themselves
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:24 PM
Mar 2019

They were traumatized by the easy availability of guns, appeared to survive it at first, and then fell victim to it anyway

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. The people in the town where Sandy Hook is located made a wise decision.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:03 PM
Mar 2019

They destroyed the school and built another one of a completely different design somewhere else. I would go even farther, the new school would have NO memorials. Wash the kids' and teachers' memories of that awful day as much as possible, have them look forward.

The high school likely should have been closed down and another built somewhere else. But my state and that county want to save money, so they play Russian roulette with the lives of the kids, teachers and administrators who were/are associated with that school.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
8. I have read before that cluster suicides can happen to connected kids when they
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 11:53 AM
Mar 2019

are under stress or feel vulnerable and lost. They don't plan anything as a group, they just do it. Sad to see this happening. The school must immediately bring in grief counsellors and also provide counsellors for kids that have graduated. The kids that plunged themselves into activism seem to be ok, but even they likely need more counseling.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
12. a search of limbaugh transcripts will show he led constant attacks on the parkland activists,
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:19 PM
Mar 2019

setting the tone for all rw NRA radio stations in the US, defending the NRA, to ridicule those kids

i'll bet podcasts of fla blowhards ridiculing those kids can be found on florida station websites

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
22. Each and every gun death, even delayed
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:04 PM
Mar 2019

is on the hands of traitors Wayne LaPierre and Ollie North.

We're deporting the wrong people. These domestic terrorists need to be sent to a melting glacier near Greenland.

world wide wally

(21,757 posts)
25. So now they think all teachers are Wyatt Earp...
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:07 PM
Mar 2019

Wait a minute!
Didn't Wyat Earp outlaw guns in Dodge City?

aikoaiko

(34,185 posts)
26. The shooting put the survivors in an emotionally difficult place
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:08 PM
Mar 2019

Survivors guilt is a real thing, but also they bing pressured to do things adults have failed to do - end gun violence.

I remember how devastating some of them were when Congress initially did nothing.

I remember thinking that they were taking on and being pushed to be things that they couldn’t be.

It’s a lot for a teen.

DBoon

(22,402 posts)
27. How many of these students have been subject to harassment by gun nuts?
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:09 PM
Mar 2019

How many families will still be harassed even after these tragedies?

JDC

(10,135 posts)
30. This country is fucked up. Our "leaders" just dont give a fuck.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:14 PM
Mar 2019

It's all money and greed all of the time.

Oneironaut

(5,530 posts)
31. Our society really doesn't help people - especially men.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:15 PM
Mar 2019

If you’re hurting, it’s your fault. Buck up! If you’re a man, you’re invalid as a person for even thinking of seeking help - just get over it and be stoic! Combine that with an awful healthcare system that cares more about not being sued than treating suicidal people, and you have lots of fuel to start fires.

We still treat suicide like a personal failing. We treat it like that in healthcare too. No wonder nobody gets the help they need.

I’m frustrated. We care more about guns than human life. I see no effort to change at the moment.

Initech

(100,107 posts)
55. And the vicious trolling of mass shooting victims since Sandy Hook doesn't help either.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:08 PM
Mar 2019

The damage that follows from the violent and hateful trolls that follows mass shootings is rubbing salt in the wound. Alex Jones now has blood on his hands.

Oneironaut

(5,530 posts)
59. It's totally messed up. Social media is an oxymoron.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:21 PM
Mar 2019

Most people, imo, treat social media as a game. The people they send messages to don’t feel real. That makes it easy to dehumanize and abuse. Users on a screen can be reduced to dehumanizing labels like “Liberal” and “Conservative,”

Few would tell a living, breathing person to kill themselves for having a political opinion. When they’re talking to a set of pixels that can be labeled as “the enemy,” it’s much easier.

Initech

(100,107 posts)
36. The way this country treats mass shooting victims is as horrifying as the shooting themselves.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:25 PM
Mar 2019

Fuck the trolls.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
37. despair is rampant in this country, an uncontrollable symptom of living in a capitalistic
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:27 PM
Mar 2019

plutocracy. Deaths From Alcohol, Drugs, and Suicide Hit All-Time High in 2017. Parkland survivors who must live with those horrific memories but also the fact that their country did nothing to keep this from happening again. People being forced from their homes do to predatory banksters, people choosing between eating or medication, people struggling every day just to stay alive as the rich & powerful suck everything they can from our society.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
38. Agree! It is so misleading when this economy is called good
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:37 PM
Mar 2019

It's only good for the rich, the bankers, the pharmaceutical companies, etc. I am very sorry to hear about the second Parkland suicide. They are still more victims of our gun culture since the gun tragedy was the catalyst.

Initech

(100,107 posts)
43. And not only that, vile scumbags like Alex Jones piled salt on the wound.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 02:03 PM
Mar 2019

The fact that people like that exist are a sad fact of reality. What Alex Jones did to Sandy Hook and to Parkland and to every mass shooting in between is unforgivable.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
39. Violence leaves its mark on survivors
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:49 PM
Mar 2019

A massacre with a gunman hunting children is what these kids went through.
Our Country wants to turn the page, all the time. Truth is that surviving violence actually alters the mind, changes life’s paths, makes the feeling of being scared and fearful part of the equation for the rest of the lives of survivors. But with children, violence lays its eggs inside their brain to steal joy and hope for many.
What we need is love and compassion and a lot less guns and an NRA out of business.


“According to the Center for Early Childhood Mental Health Consultation, children who experience trauma can live in a near-constant state of fight or flight, with stress hormones like cortisol and adrenaline flowing, even with no real threat present. That means, a student may be triggered by something non-threatening (like a loud noise, or not understanding an assignment) and feel the intense emotions and fear associated with a truly frightening event.
“Experiencing traumatic events directly impairs the ability to learn, both immediately after the event and over time. Children are particularly vulnerable to these consequences as their brains are still developing,” says Dr. Elizabeth Studwell, a New York City Clinical Psychologist, whose work centers around children and young adults. “Traumatic events cause the brain to enter a heightened state of awareness, activating our limbic system and flooding the brain with the stress hormone cortisol. Excess cortisol is toxic to the brain and primarily damages the hippocampus and prefrontal cortex. These areas of the brain are directly related to memory and executive functioning respectively. As a result, there becomes an overall decreased ability to process new information, objectively analyze complex data, and engage in memory consolidation.”

https://education.cu-portland.edu/blog/classroom-resources/this-is-a-students-brain-on-trauma/

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
42. When I worked in ICU
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:55 PM
Mar 2019

I took care of a young man in his 20s who had overdosed. He was the only survivor of a multivictim car wreck. It had been several months but he could not handle the guilt. He was not the driver.

pazzyanne

(6,558 posts)
46. Damage done by mass shootings does NOT stop with the event!
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 02:18 PM
Mar 2019

The suffering continues on and sometimes ends tragically like the two students who decided they could not live with the trauma any more. I only hope and pray that other students do not follow! Suicide follows survivors of traumatic events within families and communities. I am hoping that the Parkland community is working on mental health interventions for Parkland kids so this can be stopped before it becomes epidemic. The death toll continues to rise and it is a year after the event itself.

LittleGirl

(8,292 posts)
50. Those poor people
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 02:38 PM
Mar 2019

I can give empathy because at this point...I'm just giving up on society anymore and that's all I have left to give.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
52. Oh god, this is just so horrible.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 02:54 PM
Mar 2019

These poor children. I can't imagine the torture they must be going through. Why couldn't anything have been done for these two kids? More counseling, support, anything! Something needs to be done before another child takes their own life. This has all been too tragic.

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