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LuckyCharms

(17,460 posts)
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:01 PM Mar 2019

No additional indictments from Mueller

I don't know...I can't get too excited about this yet.

This could simply mean the following:

1) Trump broke the law countless times, and this may be reflected in the report. However, Mueller may be simply following DOJ policy (not law) of not indicting a sitting president. The matter will be left to Congress to handle.

2) Maybe Trump's adult children are not being indicted by Mueller because he is letting the SDNY pursue this matter for several reasons, a few of which may be: a) potential accusations against Mueller of playing politics and/or overstepping his mandate. b) continuing investigations of crimes against Fredo and Breathless Barbie that are best handled by the SDNY.

I could be wrong, but seriously...nobody talking about it, including myself, including the media, have no idea what is in the report. I can't get excited yet.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,878 posts)
1. No more indictments from Mueller doesn't mean no more indictments.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:10 PM
Mar 2019

He's been spinning off investigations to SDNY and elsewhere, and the Manhattan DA is investigating New York State financial crimes. Almost every crime Trump, his minions and his businesses might have committed would have been in NYC, which is where SDNY has jurisdiction. And Flynn, Gates and Cohen are still cooperating with prosecutors and Stone's trial isn't until November. I think there's much more to come.

My own theory, which is only a theory, is that in order to protect the investigation Mueller started wrapping things up and referring cases out when Trump appointed his stooge Whittaker.

underpants

(182,925 posts)
3. I get that sense too. He wanted Whitaker gone and when Rosenstein said he was staying a bit longer
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:20 PM
Mar 2019

POOF out came the report.

It's my non-lawyer take that he simply indicted those who interfered with or lied during the investigation.

It's an investigation, so its fact gathering which will be used later by NY state maybe DOJ and Congress. It's like the dossier but wit actual direct questions asked and pursued.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
4. Why would Mueller say he's not "recommending" more indictments?
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:21 PM
Mar 2019

Doesn't that imply he's not recommending that any jurisdictions indict people? He's not giving them reason to do so?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,878 posts)
5. Assuming that's an accurate characterization of what he said,
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:26 PM
Mar 2019

the evidence in the report might be insufficient to support additional indictments, but the investigations that have been farmed out to other prosecutors are not complete and some have just begun. Also, Flynn, Gates and Cohen are still cooperating, and Stone, the alleged connection to Wikileaks, won't be tried until November (giving him plenty of time to start singing).

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
10. THIS !!! I'm starting to think the ... no more indictments ... is "THE BIG LIE". From an unnamed ...
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:02 PM
Mar 2019

... source from the DOJ.

I'm waiting but there's something wrong with that phrase

better

(884 posts)
2. Refreshing to see some objectivity on this.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:20 PM
Mar 2019

A lot of people seem to be jumping to conclusions, which is itself usually problematic, but they're also jumping to inadequately/improperly informed, or perhaps even just merely inadequately broadly observant conclusions.

For everyone who's getting apoplectic about this, do try to keep in mind that what has ended is the Mueller investigation, and we know that no further indictments will be coming from the OSC. But we also have quite a body of evidence that we should not expect every crime uncovered by the OSC to be prosecuted by the OSC.

Michael Cohen wasn't prosecuted by the OSC either, but he's still going to prison.

FM123

(10,054 posts)
6. "Fredo and Breathless Barbie"
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:33 PM
Mar 2019

Reminds me of something my daughter said at the dinner table the other night "the trump organization is like the Corleones in the Godfather except every one is Fredo".

GoCubsGo

(32,095 posts)
7. I'll add 2a) to that.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:49 PM
Mar 2019

He farmed a lot of the evidence to various state authorities (NY, NJ, IL, other states with Trump properties), likely because of Trump's obvious pardon-dangling. I don't think Mueller is willing to put the country through the time and expense of indictments, knowing they'll just be pardoned in the end.

As several have been saying, Mueller's report is likely just the beginning of the end.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
8. That i believe if accurate and also what I believe
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:53 PM
Mar 2019

The report will show that trump broke laws, was acting as an agent of Russian, obstructed the russian investigation,etc,etc.

It will be left to congress to handle.

the R's are compromised by russian money as well and therefore wont do anything about it.

We will have to win 2020 in order to force justice on this.

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