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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTodd: "... THE Mueller report didn't make a decision on obstruction AG BARR is making that decision"
... this is exactly why I'm holding all my powder on this but now it's an uphill battle.
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)Let's get this to the greatest.
Vinca
(50,318 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)NO doubt! Don't give up. our Democratic house will prove BARR wrong!
ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)any questions on obstruction either in wring or in person by Trump's lawyers.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)DontBooVote
(901 posts)IS OVER!
Get your assess out in the streets! Or get your asses into your local efforts to defeat these goddamned monsters in 2020!
If you don't, you are the f'in problem.
Not pointing at you, OP, but all of us.
True Blue American
(17,994 posts)The same way he covered Iran/ Contra.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)badhair77
(4,222 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,386 posts)I dont.
KPN
(15,665 posts)the public behind her big time. If nothing else, all Democrats should send her their support for taking this to a thoroughly and openly determined conclusion.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)She has proven she is more about cutting your losses and moving on. Prudency above all. ie..How she very quickly went to the press to announce "impeachment is off the table!" in the faint hope of getting more Republican cooperation after W left.
Which I think is a mistake. Yes it is risky to go all in, use tough language, and instruct all Democrats to go on full attack mode. Its not their thing. But the pubic just does not respect that kind of passivity anymore. For good or bad, probably bad, the country is in a Reality TV world now. That loud abusive self proclaimed "leader" on the island that no one wants to risk calling for them to be voted out, has to be challenged. Even if it may backfire. Because The GOP laughs at our passive "lets just all calm down and wait and someday somehow, the real facts will emerge", Democratic voters will be disappointed and more apathetic, and any undecided voter, or a potential new voter, out there will assume there is nothing to get excited about if the Democrats are too ho hum about it.
So there is a tipping point, where the risk of trying to use an olive branch to not upset moderate Republicans, is outweighed by a bigger risk of not fulfilling your duty to the country, standing up against Trumpism, fascism, decency, and criminal activity. Its a kind of non-trust in the majority of the public to accept the truth, if it is too damn awful. And/or a lack of faith in your abilities politically to sway public opinion, even with damaging facts on your side.
I'm not saying this is the path she will lead the party towards this time, but just saying based on history, that I wouldn't be surprised if she has been convinced that she will gain more capital, perhaps in the form of more concessions from the GOP in upcoming bills, if she plays nice.
BeyondGeography
(39,386 posts)emulatorloo
(44,210 posts)Azathoth
(4,611 posts)People clinging to the "full report" are just deluding themselves. Mueller didn't indict, and apparently didn't make the case that Trump should be indicted if not for DOJ policy.
That means he gave Trump the same thing Comey gave Hillary.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... didn't commit any crimes but broke rules.
Azathoth
(4,611 posts)He said Hillary was reckless and careless and "should have known" yadda yadda, but the evidence didn't support prosecution. That's exactly what we're getting on Trump.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Azathoth
(4,611 posts)It will probably be decades before we find out everything that happened behind the scenes.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Azathoth
(4,611 posts)It appears that they're not even going that far on the collusion issue when it comes to Trump himself.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Mueller was the devil on DU for years, and then inexplicably DUers made him into some kind of folk hero the minute he was assigned to this investigation.
There was zilch, zero, nada reason to believe that a Mueller investigation would ever result in anything besides what it has. This isn't Mueller being disappointing; this is us feeling let down after building this investigation into something in our minds and in our memes that it was never going to be under his leadership.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)Azathoth
(4,611 posts)I tend to agree, but i guess we will have to wait for the tell-all books.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)evidence to suggest a crime was comitted? The grand jury doesnt deal in quilt or innocence just if there is some evidence to support a crime.
JCMach1
(27,579 posts)Being reported now...
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)but Barrs letter allows Republicans do steam roll over Dems and all of us screaming about collusion. WTF I feel like I was hit by an 18 wheeler.
JCMach1
(27,579 posts)For reference
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)and now this bullshit. Muellers report is the best thing that could have happened to Trump.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)prosecutors who will indict at the drop of a hat. Mueller let the entire country down and there is no equating Hillary and Trumps conduct.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,488 posts)I'M SHOCKED!
DEEPLY SHOCKED.
I'm 67 years old and I'm racking my brain to EVER remember a hard core Republican AND FBI guy do ANYTHING to make Progressives and Liberals happy.
Cool that Mueller slams the door just as golf season opens up, maybe he'll play a few rounds with the President, who apparently "has led an otherwise blameless life".
mvd
(65,180 posts)I am afraid for our country.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,488 posts)Chakaconcarne
(2,466 posts)I think everyone is jumping the gun on this.... the right is going to want us to think this is the end of it....but we ALL know the meat us with sdny. ... we knew trump wasn't getting impeached... we knew we were stuck with trump until 2020. Our messaging should be about what comes from sdny. Thus is in no way over...we all just need to chill.... and to EVERYONE....it's way to soon to be attacking Mueller...and if we do we may look like bigger idiots if in fact his work helps to eventually take out this crime family.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)still_one
(92,454 posts)ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)world wide wally
(21,757 posts)TTFN
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)confused.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)boyfriend.
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)This is a ridiculous conclusion. Vladdie wins.
Obviously, we still have a long way to go.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)If not, then we won't really know the truth, will we?
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)TimeToGo
(1,366 posts)We're losing out country and I am losing my mind.
Bayard
(22,181 posts)That's all we're going to hear now for the next 2 years, and on thru the election process. Congressional investigations will be seen as sour grapes, and only Dems will care about the decisions Mueller did not make.
This is how tRump will frame the 2020 debates. That the Dems tried to bring him down and he was vindicated. Try to talk about healthcare, foreign policy, taxes, or anything else, and this is what he'll keep coming back to.
How do we spin this?
dustyscamp
(2,228 posts)Paladin
(28,277 posts)Nothing he likes better than Democrats being in the dumps. Same for Andrea Mitchell.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)Witch Hunt, I was hounded for 2 years, think of what I could have done for you. Elect me and watch me do even more than I lied about the first go round.
We are fucked.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)He told Congress exactly what he would do and what he believed. That's why Trump picked him! #ReleasetheFullReport
Emillereid
(3,332 posts)When he admitted he fired Comey because of the Russia thing
Thats good enough for
Me!
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)People that sit out elections, attack people that are basically on their side or vote third party because their choice candidate was not nominated are clueless. When the bad guys are allowed to win, they make all the rules favor them.
Lonestarblue
(10,106 posts)It was clear from Barrs letter to Trump that he would do whatever was needed to protect Trump from any crimes committed. Democrats may not be able to impeach, but they cetainly can try to get to the truth of what he found and what his real conclusiins werenot the conclusions Barr may have dreamed up. Otherwise we will never know the truth and will always suspect that Trump has been allowed to steal an election with impunity.
benld74
(9,911 posts)While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime it also does NOT exonerate him Mueller Report
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Can't know if there's enough evidence, but a President can't be indicted, so he didn't do anything about it. Or if the evidence is questionable, so he's leaving it to someone else's decision.