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Todd: "... THE Mueller report didn't make a decision on obstruction AG BARR is making that decision" (Original Post) uponit7771 Mar 2019 OP
K&R MelissaB Mar 2019 #1
And Barr made that decision before he was appointed AG. Vinca Mar 2019 #2
THANK YOU !!! uponit7771 Mar 2019 #3
THIS bluestarone Mar 2019 #7
Indeed dalton99a Mar 2019 #8
And Mueller was prevented from asking Trump ChiTownDenny Mar 2019 #38
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2019 #56
For once I agree with him. dewsgirl Mar 2019 #4
That's EXACTLY right! The time for these fantasies that tRump will ever be gone due to prosecution.. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #5
Yes, Barr made the decision True Blue American Mar 2019 #6
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2019 #10
Very possible. badhair77 Mar 2019 #58
Exactly uppityperson Mar 2019 #9
You think Pelosi is game for an uphill battle? BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #11
I personally think she is, but she will need KPN Mar 2019 #22
No. CentralMass Mar 2019 #28
I don't have a lot of faith in that LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #37
Great post eom BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #59
Schiff and Nadler are. The truth will out emulatorloo Mar 2019 #52
Mueller was perfectly capable of making the case for obstruction if he had wanted Azathoth Mar 2019 #12
I'm VERY disappointed in Mueller right now seeing he decided not to decide. Comey did say Clinton uponit7771 Mar 2019 #14
Comey went farther than that Azathoth Mar 2019 #17
And Trump will shove this report down our throats for the next 2 years. Pepsidog Mar 2019 #21
Yup. We got rolled Azathoth Mar 2019 #25
That's on collusion, I'm talking about obstruction of Justice uponit7771 Mar 2019 #39
Uh, no, that's on obstruction Azathoth Mar 2019 #43
What exactly gave people the impression Mueller would do otherwise? MadDAsHell Mar 2019 #67
I think Mueller & the JD wouldn't have hesitated to indict if it was a Democratic president. nt yaesu Mar 2019 #26
That's gonna be the debate for the next few decades Azathoth Mar 2019 #32
This is a white wash. Prosecutors get indictments all the time and it's not difficult. Is there Pepsidog Mar 2019 #13
Doesn't matter what report says now because of how it's JCMach1 Mar 2019 #15
Right uponit7771 Mar 2019 #16
Giuliani couldn't have written a better report for Trump. Not only wasn't it not damaging to Trump Pepsidog Mar 2019 #20
See election call for Bush in 2000 JCMach1 Mar 2019 #23
We Dems look like fools. I am so sorry to say this but I have been screaming for 2 years Pepsidog Mar 2019 #18
+1, I'm disappointed in Mueller because he left a lawful decision up to political appointees uponit7771 Mar 2019 #19
Yes he copped out big time. As a criminal defense attorney I often deal with Pepsidog Mar 2019 #24
+1, because it was "difficult" fuck difficult that's why we is paid the big bucks uponit7771 Mar 2019 #29
Mueller, a rock ribbed Republican, hands off to even harsher Republicans, wipes his hands. BamaRefugee Mar 2019 #27
There is something very concerning about this report so far mvd Mar 2019 #30
The prick went yo church near the White House this am CentralMass Mar 2019 #33
Did he genuflect towards tRump's bedroom? BamaRefugee Mar 2019 #35
Seriously? Because of Mueller there are several other investigations happening.... Chakaconcarne Mar 2019 #69
Barr, famous for advising GHWB to pardon the Iran-Contra crowd before they implicated GHWB struggle4progress Mar 2019 #31
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2019 #34
Barr weasel words turned Mueller's "did not establish" into "did not find". tRump not home free. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #36
OP Worthy uponit7771 Mar 2019 #41
yup. The report didn't conclude Trump obstructed justice, but it also didn't exonerate him still_one Mar 2019 #40
I hate agreeing with Toad. ChiTownDenny Mar 2019 #42
This is the day we say goodbye to America and all we thought it stood for world wide wally Mar 2019 #44
I'm going to hold congress responsible for OoJ, that's about where we're at uponit7771 Mar 2019 #46
Who is Todd? itsrobert Mar 2019 #45
Chuck Todd uponit7771 Mar 2019 #47
Ok, I thought you may have been talking about Lisa Lupner's itsrobert Mar 2019 #48
The era of White Man's Justice, continues. B Stieg Mar 2019 #49
Obviously. Maybe the millenniums, who are thinking in the long term. Kurt V. Mar 2019 #68
Will the entire report be released? liberalmuse Mar 2019 #50
No, Barr could be totally making up even parts he quoted from the Mueller report uponit7771 Mar 2019 #55
I am furious TimeToGo Mar 2019 #51
Witch Hunt and No Collusion---PROVEN! Bayard Mar 2019 #53
Sadly true dustyscamp Mar 2019 #54
Chucky Todd ought to be in a good mood for weeks over this. Paladin Mar 2019 #57
tRUMPs STUMP talking points right up to the election SayItLoud Mar 2019 #60
No one should be surprised that Barr is protecting Trump from being indicted DesertRat Mar 2019 #61
donnie admitted obstruction of justice in the Lester Holt interview Emillereid Mar 2019 #62
+1, I'm disappointed in Mueller because he left a lawful decision up to political appointees uponit7771 Mar 2019 #64
What happened is why elections matter. Blue_true Mar 2019 #63
Time to subpoena Mueller for the House investigation. Lonestarblue Mar 2019 #65
See below benld74 Mar 2019 #66
Mueller decided not to pursue OJ from his angle. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #70
 

ChiTownDenny

(747 posts)
38. And Mueller was prevented from asking Trump
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:38 PM
Mar 2019

any questions on obstruction either in wring or in person by Trump's lawyers.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
5. That's EXACTLY right! The time for these fantasies that tRump will ever be gone due to prosecution..
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:02 PM
Mar 2019

IS OVER!

Get your assess out in the streets! Or get your asses into your local efforts to defeat these goddamned monsters in 2020!

If you don't, you are the f'in problem.

Not pointing at you, OP, but all of us.

KPN

(15,665 posts)
22. I personally think she is, but she will need
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:25 PM
Mar 2019

the public behind her big time. If nothing else, all Democrats should send her their support for taking this to a thoroughly and openly determined conclusion.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,178 posts)
37. I don't have a lot of faith in that
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:38 PM
Mar 2019

She has proven she is more about cutting your losses and moving on. Prudency above all. ie..How she very quickly went to the press to announce "impeachment is off the table!" in the faint hope of getting more Republican cooperation after W left.

Which I think is a mistake. Yes it is risky to go all in, use tough language, and instruct all Democrats to go on full attack mode. Its not their thing. But the pubic just does not respect that kind of passivity anymore. For good or bad, probably bad, the country is in a Reality TV world now. That loud abusive self proclaimed "leader" on the island that no one wants to risk calling for them to be voted out, has to be challenged. Even if it may backfire. Because The GOP laughs at our passive "lets just all calm down and wait and someday somehow, the real facts will emerge", Democratic voters will be disappointed and more apathetic, and any undecided voter, or a potential new voter, out there will assume there is nothing to get excited about if the Democrats are too ho hum about it.

So there is a tipping point, where the risk of trying to use an olive branch to not upset moderate Republicans, is outweighed by a bigger risk of not fulfilling your duty to the country, standing up against Trumpism, fascism, decency, and criminal activity. Its a kind of non-trust in the majority of the public to accept the truth, if it is too damn awful. And/or a lack of faith in your abilities politically to sway public opinion, even with damaging facts on your side.

I'm not saying this is the path she will lead the party towards this time, but just saying based on history, that I wouldn't be surprised if she has been convinced that she will gain more capital, perhaps in the form of more concessions from the GOP in upcoming bills, if she plays nice.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
12. Mueller was perfectly capable of making the case for obstruction if he had wanted
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:14 PM
Mar 2019

People clinging to the "full report" are just deluding themselves. Mueller didn't indict, and apparently didn't make the case that Trump should be indicted if not for DOJ policy.

That means he gave Trump the same thing Comey gave Hillary.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
14. I'm VERY disappointed in Mueller right now seeing he decided not to decide. Comey did say Clinton
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:16 PM
Mar 2019

... didn't commit any crimes but broke rules.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
17. Comey went farther than that
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:20 PM
Mar 2019

He said Hillary was reckless and careless and "should have known" yadda yadda, but the evidence didn't support prosecution. That's exactly what we're getting on Trump.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
25. Yup. We got rolled
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:27 PM
Mar 2019

It will probably be decades before we find out everything that happened behind the scenes.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
43. Uh, no, that's on obstruction
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:44 PM
Mar 2019

It appears that they're not even going that far on the collusion issue when it comes to Trump himself.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
67. What exactly gave people the impression Mueller would do otherwise?
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 06:22 PM
Mar 2019

Mueller was the devil on DU for years, and then inexplicably DUers made him into some kind of folk hero the minute he was assigned to this investigation.

There was zilch, zero, nada reason to believe that a Mueller investigation would ever result in anything besides what it has. This isn't Mueller being disappointing; this is us feeling let down after building this investigation into something in our minds and in our memes that it was never going to be under his leadership.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
32. That's gonna be the debate for the next few decades
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:30 PM
Mar 2019

I tend to agree, but i guess we will have to wait for the tell-all books.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
13. This is a white wash. Prosecutors get indictments all the time and it's not difficult. Is there
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:15 PM
Mar 2019

evidence to suggest a crime was comitted? The grand jury doesn’t deal in quilt or innocence just if there is some evidence to support a crime.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
20. Giuliani couldn't have written a better report for Trump. Not only wasn't it not damaging to Trump
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:23 PM
Mar 2019

but Barr’s letter allows Republicans do steam roll over Dems and all of us screaming about collusion. WTF I feel like I was hit by an 18 wheeler.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
18. We Dems look like fools. I am so sorry to say this but I have been screaming for 2 years
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:20 PM
Mar 2019

and now this bullshit. Mueller’s report is the best thing that could have happened to Trump.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
24. Yes he copped out big time. As a criminal defense attorney I often deal with
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:27 PM
Mar 2019

prosecutors who will indict at the drop of a hat. Mueller let the entire country down and there is no equating Hillary and Trump’s conduct.

BamaRefugee

(3,488 posts)
27. Mueller, a rock ribbed Republican, hands off to even harsher Republicans, wipes his hands.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:28 PM
Mar 2019

I'M SHOCKED!
DEEPLY SHOCKED.
I'm 67 years old and I'm racking my brain to EVER remember a hard core Republican AND FBI guy do ANYTHING to make Progressives and Liberals happy.

Cool that Mueller slams the door just as golf season opens up, maybe he'll play a few rounds with the President, who apparently "has led an otherwise blameless life".


Chakaconcarne

(2,466 posts)
69. Seriously? Because of Mueller there are several other investigations happening....
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 06:55 PM
Mar 2019

I think everyone is jumping the gun on this.... the right is going to want us to think this is the end of it....but we ALL know the meat us with sdny. ... we knew trump wasn't getting impeached... we knew we were stuck with trump until 2020. Our messaging should be about what comes from sdny. Thus is in no way over...we all just need to chill.... and to EVERYONE....it's way to soon to be attacking Mueller...and if we do we may look like bigger idiots if in fact his work helps to eventually take out this crime family.

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
49. The era of White Man's Justice, continues.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:57 PM
Mar 2019

This is a ridiculous conclusion. Vladdie wins.
Obviously, we still have a long way to go.

Bayard

(22,181 posts)
53. Witch Hunt and No Collusion---PROVEN!
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:01 PM
Mar 2019

That's all we're going to hear now for the next 2 years, and on thru the election process. Congressional investigations will be seen as sour grapes, and only Dems will care about the decisions Mueller did not make.

This is how tRump will frame the 2020 debates. That the Dems tried to bring him down and he was vindicated. Try to talk about healthcare, foreign policy, taxes, or anything else, and this is what he'll keep coming back to.

How do we spin this?

Paladin

(28,277 posts)
57. Chucky Todd ought to be in a good mood for weeks over this.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:04 PM
Mar 2019

Nothing he likes better than Democrats being in the dumps. Same for Andrea Mitchell.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
60. tRUMPs STUMP talking points right up to the election
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:17 PM
Mar 2019

Witch Hunt, I was hounded for 2 years, think of what I could have done for you. Elect me and watch me do even more than I lied about the first go round.

We are fucked.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
61. No one should be surprised that Barr is protecting Trump from being indicted
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:19 PM
Mar 2019

He told Congress exactly what he would do and what he believed. That's why Trump picked him! #ReleasetheFullReport

Emillereid

(3,332 posts)
62. donnie admitted obstruction of justice in the Lester Holt interview
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:38 PM
Mar 2019

When he admitted he fired Comey because of the “Russia thing”

That’s good enough for
Me!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
63. What happened is why elections matter.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:43 PM
Mar 2019

People that sit out elections, attack people that are basically on their side or vote third party because their choice candidate was not nominated are clueless. When the bad guys are allowed to win, they make all the rules favor them.

Lonestarblue

(10,106 posts)
65. Time to subpoena Mueller for the House investigation.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 06:09 PM
Mar 2019

It was clear from Barr’s letter to Trump that he would do whatever was needed to protect Trump from any crimes committed. Democrats may not be able to impeach, but they cetainly can try to get to the truth of what he found and what his real conclusiins were—not the conclusions Barr may have dreamed up. Otherwise we will never know the truth and will always suspect that Trump has been allowed to steal an election with impunity.

benld74

(9,911 posts)
66. See below
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 06:12 PM
Mar 2019

While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime it also does NOT exonerate him” — Mueller Report

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
70. Mueller decided not to pursue OJ from his angle.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 07:00 PM
Mar 2019

Can't know if there's enough evidence, but a President can't be indicted, so he didn't do anything about it. Or if the evidence is questionable, so he's leaving it to someone else's decision.

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