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still_one

(92,454 posts) Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:31 PM Mar 2019

The Mueller report did not conclude that Trump obstructed justice, but it also did not exonerate him

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The Mueller report did not conclude that Trump obstructed justice, but it also did not exonerate him (Original Post) still_one Mar 2019 OP

Not so sure I take Barr at his word emulatorloo Mar 2019 #1

Of course not, we need to see the full report. Also, there are other issues going on besides still_one Mar 2019 #2

Looks like our Dems aren't going to settle for the Cliff Notes version emulatorloo Mar 2019 #3

I agree. While I think the public has every right to see the full report, at the minimum it must be still_one Mar 2019 #4

+1, its up to congress to determine that not a political appointee uponit7771 Mar 2019 #7

If Mueller couldn't deem it obstruction, it didn't have legs. Hoyt Mar 2019 #5

First of all Mueller didn't make the decision whether it was obstruction or not, he left that up to still_one Mar 2019 #6

Exactly. He didn't have the guts to make the call. Hoyt Mar 2019 #8

I don't think this is any "victory" for them, especially since investigations are still proceeding still_one Mar 2019 #10

It's a clear victory and we better concentrate on the election and put this behind us. Hoyt Mar 2019 #12

Absolutely, we need to focus on the long game, and that includes getting the full report released. still_one Mar 2019 #14

Do you know Barr's history w Iran Contra pardons? This is Barr's "summary" emulatorloo Mar 2019 #9

Then, Mueller should have said the following evidence indicates OBSTRUCTION. He didn't, therefore Hoyt Mar 2019 #11

Take a look at this thread if you have some free time emulatorloo Mar 2019 #13

I am pretty sure that Mueller will be called up before Congress also. That and other jurisdictions still_one Mar 2019 #15

I think we are all on the same side and want trump removed from office. But, for me personally, I'm Hoyt Mar 2019 #16

+1 emulatorloo Mar 2019 #17

Oh it seems Republican Mueller gave cover on both issues to Trumpf. rockfordfile Mar 2019 #18

Exactly. If he was going to be wishywashy he could have been on collusion too. Hoyt Mar 2019 #19

emulatorloo

(44,210 posts)

1. Not so sure I take Barr at his word

Reply to still_one (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:32 PM

Mar 2019

still_one

(92,454 posts)

2. Of course not, we need to see the full report. Also, there are other issues going on besides

Reply to emulatorloo (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:34 PM

Mar 2019

obstruction

emulatorloo

(44,210 posts)

3. Looks like our Dems aren't going to settle for the Cliff Notes version

Reply to still_one (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:36 PM

Mar 2019

still_one

(92,454 posts)

4. I agree. While I think the public has every right to see the full report, at the minimum it must be

Reply to emulatorloo (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:38 PM

Mar 2019

made available to Congress. This is part of the checks and balances, and if it isn't, this will go to the SC

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)

7. +1, its up to congress to determine that not a political appointee

Reply to emulatorloo (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:43 PM

Mar 2019

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)

5. If Mueller couldn't deem it obstruction, it didn't have legs.

Reply to still_one (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:40 PM

Mar 2019

Everyone — including GOPers — know trump obstructed justice. GOPers didn’t care.

Mueller is no better than Fitzgerald.

still_one

(92,454 posts)

6. First of all Mueller didn't make the decision whether it was obstruction or not, he left that up to

Reply to Hoyt (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:42 PM

Mar 2019

the AG. That is why it is imperative that Congress receive the full report

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)

8. Exactly. He didn't have the guts to make the call.

Reply to still_one (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:47 PM

Mar 2019

Congress, you, me and everyone can read the report a thousand times. But the chief investigator couldn’t call it obstruction, although we all saw it.

still_one

(92,454 posts)

10. I don't think this is any "victory" for them, especially since investigations are still proceeding

Reply to Hoyt (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:51 PM

Mar 2019

through other avenues, and the Democrats want the complete report released

This probably will go to the SC, and I think it will be a question of checks and balances

Also, I suspect Mueller will be called before the House to testify

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)

12. It's a clear victory and we better concentrate on the election and put this behind us.

Reply to still_one (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:53 PM

Mar 2019

still_one

(92,454 posts)

14. Absolutely, we need to focus on the long game, and that includes getting the full report released.

Reply to Hoyt (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:02 PM

Mar 2019

and if that doesn't happen, there is going to be doubt placed in a lot of people's minds for 2020.

Also, what other jurisdictions do is outside of Congress, so that has a life of its own.

I agree, our first priority needs to be 2020, and nominating the best candidate who can do it.

emulatorloo

(44,210 posts)

9. Do you know Barr's history w Iran Contra pardons? This is Barr's "summary"

Reply to Hoyt (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:47 PM

Mar 2019

I feel Barr just might be spinning.

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)

11. Then, Mueller should have said the following evidence indicates OBSTRUCTION. He didn't, therefore

Reply to emulatorloo (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:52 PM

Mar 2019

he essentially gave trump cover.

emulatorloo

(44,210 posts)

13. Take a look at this thread if you have some free time

Reply to Hoyt (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:56 PM

Mar 2019

May not convince you but I found it plausible. Just read it now, had not read it before I posted here in this thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211950705

still_one

(92,454 posts)

15. I am pretty sure that Mueller will be called up before Congress also. That and other jurisdictions

Reply to emulatorloo (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:06 PM

Mar 2019

that are proceeding possible violations of law are going to proceed regardless of Congress or Barr

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)

16. I think we are all on the same side and want trump removed from office. But, for me personally, I'm

Reply to emulatorloo (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:07 PM

Mar 2019

through wasting my time on this issue.

The fact is, we all know trump is a liar, criminal, bigot, POS, but GOPers don't care. This investigation clearly did not do enough to cause them to question whether they should continue supporting/defending trump.