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What is going to be the end result? Here are the realities:
1. RGB likely will not last until 2024. Which means America will have a GOP Supreme Court.
2. The GOP has planned this takeover for the last 30 years since the end of the Carter administration and beginning of Reagan's. It Worked.
3. The House including Nancy Pelosi who has already said Impeachment is Off The Table, will be effectively lame ducked. They can send subpoena's until their heart content but not one will be answered or responded to by the current administration after the summary report.
4. Barr will not release the full report. It's done. The Courts will go back and forth until it gets to the Supreme Court and it ends in another Bush v Gore 5-4 decision and that will be that.
5. Trump and the Russians 2.0 since it worked so well in 2016, 2020 will be the same and nothing will be done.
The only way this scenario changes is to take to the streets, run on D.C. and demand it. The only way this changes is to stop with fighting small issues and realize the big issue is saving what ever Democracy is left. The only way this changes is stop playing by the rules and get in the mud. The only way this changes is Impeachment - regardless of what happens afterwards and regardless if the Report ever gets released or not.
Otherwise, New Zealand and other nations of sanity are looking better and better by the day.
Flame on, but this is our truth (our as it what we firmly believe after today).
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)November 2020 is 19 months away, and voters get to be the judge.
We do need to do a better job of responding to GOPer/Russian lies. And Democrats better come together for good of country, unlike enough sore losers to throw an election in 2016.
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)dem4decades
(11,304 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
Azathoth
(4,611 posts)The last two years were not wasted. At the very least, Trump has been completely tied up with the investigation, which kept him from gaining steam in any direction. Moreover, there's reason to at least hope that the report will contain enough dirt to further wound Trump and fuel Congressional investigations.
Most importantly, the last two years have hardened people's perceptions. Those that loved Trump are now willing to die for him, and those that were suspicious of him -- the majority of Americans -- are now utterly convinced he's a criminal and a Russian agent. Calling his re-election inevitable is ridiculous fatalism. If we get our shit together, there is every reason to believe he's going down.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Impeachment is the only move in the Democrats CONTROL. That was taken Off The Table. Unless it is placed back on the menu, enough of the Public that is not in a corner already will believe Trump and Russia was not a PROVEN FACT.
Unless the Democrats push FORWARD with IMPEACHMENT -- which does not require anything but a Majority Vote of the U.S. House - which the Democrats Control.
Also, the Public that is not in a corner already is just enough with the help of the Russians to rig another election in 2020. It worked in 2016.
Azathoth
(4,611 posts)of anything, especially if it dies in the Senate. The argument in favor of a dead-end impeachment is based on ethical and constitutional duty, not whether it will convince swing voters of his guilt.
Mueller was the big hope to sway people's opinions.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)And getting them shot down left and right by the GOP Supreme Court 5-4 over and over again will?
Or do you think that an attempt framed around Saving The Democracy by Impeaching a Dictator that control 3 out of the 4 branches of the Federal Gov't and Impeachment is the only card left to play one controls --- even if the Senate which is controlled by the GOP fails to act on its Constitutional duty -- will not have some swing voters believe the DEMOCRATS CARE more about Saving America what is the Political Play of the Moment.
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